RKBA

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veeveeaar
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Post by veeveeaar » Sat Aug 28, 2010 4:33 pm

I live in a mountain surrounded area, on the foothills of the western ghats. The lofty mountains have thick forests and in them , GANJA [MARIJUANA] is grown.Here the people who do this have a battery of illegal arms. Once on a trekking trip, i chanced to come across them. they screamed at us in full " holy" words and brandished their fire power.one of them had a M1 garand. another a very old double rifle and undoubtedly illegal. If an oppurtunity presents itself , They may even shoot tigers and elephants in the high ranges and go scott free and unnoticed. when this is the situation in all unpoliced and far flung areas,and these guys rule the roost,where does a law abiding citizen stand. he may be forced to obey these outlaws and become forced law breakers.
The home ministry is trying to push this real menace of un licensed arms under the carpet and does not come out to address the root of the real problem and WEAN OUT UNLISENCED FIRE ARMS,but tries to make lisensing more dificult for the common man to be lawabiding . Lately i came to know that a unlisenced local made SBBL costs only rs/ 6000/- . and is far more better in quality than the licensed company made ones.
I have already started to feel the pinch of the MHA guidelines or mis guided lines. I had sent my SBBL shot gun licence for renewal in OCT 2009 and am yet to get it renewed till date. lately , i have been instructed to obtain a GOOD CONDUCT CERTIFICATE from the local thashildar and produce it along with my weapon.
How does the thashildar know that i am a good guy or a bad one?. The police alone can have records about me and not a thashildar, who has so many work and things to do . is'int it ridiculous .this is the sort of comedy that is played upon the law abiding license holder.
Then here comes accounting of shots fired. you cannot ask your adversary to come to a shooting range or zone to fight it out and collect the empties and account for all shots fired .
First of all the MHA should know the actual feel of the common law abiding indian . He is always under threat. Can any body tell me one instance where the police have responded to requests of threat to life and property . YES ONLY AFTER THE INCIDENT TAKES PLACE.. so a licenced fire arm will be a deterant than a problem.
So the MHA does not really know about the common Indian. Only do IAS, IPS and other bureaucrats and MLAs and MPs and political weights need protection and NSG and all guard dogs etc.?
I am requesting you fellow ifgians to come together and make RKBA, a reality within reach for all indians alike.

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Re: RKBA

Post by Vikram » Sat Aug 28, 2010 5:11 pm

You have pointed out some very pertinent aspects which seem to evade the think tanks among some of the policy makers.Very well said.

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Re: RKBA

Post by goodboy_mentor » Sat Aug 28, 2010 6:37 pm

The home ministry is trying to push this real menace of un licensed arms under the carpet and does not come out to address the root of the real problem and WEAN OUT UNLISENCED FIRE ARMS,but tries to make lisensing more dificult for the common man to be lawabiding .
This is the classic mistake we commit and fall into the trap of gun control, when we hope laws can wean out illegal arms. No government in the world has ever been able to do so. Arms Act or no Arms Act, criminals by their very nature of business will always keep themselves armed. It is only the law abiding who are affected by arms laws.
‘‘Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.’’— Thomas Jefferson's "Commonplace Book," 1774-1776, quoting from On Crimes and Punishment, by criminologist Cesare Beccaria, 1764
First of all the MHA should know the actual feel of the common law abiding indian.
It is not just the question of "feelings" of citizens but a matter of Constitutionally guaranteed rights. Philosophies of politicians are directly linked to the philosophies of their electorate. Once people organize and give their message, they are bound to listen. Hence joining NAGRI and bringing in more people is all the more important.
"If my mother tongue is shaking the foundations of your State, it probably means that you built your State on my land" - Musa Anter, Kurdish writer, assassinated by the Turkish secret services in 1992

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Re: RKBA

Post by Anand » Sat Aug 28, 2010 9:53 pm

Hello veeveeaar,

"Can any body tell me one instance where the police have responded to requests of threat to life and property .YES ONLY AFTER THE INCIDENT TAKES PLACE."

This is the one of the most important reasons that the right of the citizen to protect himself by keeping arms should not be in anyway curtailed. The fact is how has crime been reduced or affected by asking veeveeaar for a "Good Conduct Certificate"?? other than to increase the paperwork and make it more uncomfortable for licensees this new policy or for that matter some of the discretionary "rules" used by the LA are ridiculous. :x
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Re: RKBA

Post by Virendra S Rathore » Sun Aug 29, 2010 10:35 am

Hi veeveeaar,

Please come to NAGRI to join hands for the struggle.
Right now with the current Arms Act amendments under process, there is a more than ever crucial need to counter this propaganda.
One way we can do it is by organizing and strengthening ourselves under the banner of NAGRI (National Association for Gun Rights India). It is a platform from where we raise our voice and stand up to these problems.
Membership is free for this year. http://gunowners.in/nagri_form.pdf

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