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Gun ownership laws trigger Indian debate

Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 10:07 am
by mundaire
Gun ownership laws trigger Indian debate
Hannah Gardner, Foreign Correspondent
Last Updated: July 29. 2010 1:12AM UAE / July 28. 2010 9:12PM GMT


NEW DELHI // It’s 1.30 on a Friday afternoon and Tejinder Singh Ghei, the owner of a tidy, one-room gun shop near Kashmiri Gate in Old Delhi, has not had a customer all week.

An old plastic telephone on Mr Ghei’s counter rings and, after a short conversation, Mr Ghei hangs up with a sigh.

“That was a dealer in Amritsar,” Mr Ghei said. “He says there is no business there either. It’s dead everywhere.”

Business has been bad for years thanks to ever tighter gun laws, Mr Ghei said, but since March, when the government introduced a new set of amendments, it has been even worse.

Along with highly restrictive curbs on the sale of ammunition and the creation of a national database of firearm owners, the new regulations also require gun-licence applicants to prove a “grave and imminent threat” to their lives in order to be approved.

“Who can prove this? It’s ridiculous,” Mr Ghei said. “India is a dangerous place. We are all at risk, but we don’t get threats.”

He was not the only one angered by the recent changes. India’s gun owners are also outraged, and for the first time they are fighting back in a style similar to the US’s National Rifle Association.

In January, a small group of enthusiasts met in Delhi to found The National Association of Gun Rights India (Nagri) to lobby lawmakers and to fund legal cases that make it easier to own and carry arms in India.

This month the organisation began a membership drive – and in doing so, they have provoked a debate about the role of fire arms in the land of Mahatma Gandhi.

“The bottom line is it’s about freedom,” said Abhijeet Singh, 37, an entrepreneur and one of Nagri’s founders.

“The first line of defence has to be the citizen. It always has been like that, it will always continue to be like that.”

Gun rights are an emotive issue in India because they are closely bound up with the country’s struggle for freedom.

After the Mutiny of 1857 – known here as India’s first war of independence – the British banned all non-Europeans from owning weapons to prevent another uprising.

Even Gandhi, a famous proponent of non-violence, wrote in his autobiography: “Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look back upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest.”

Thus in 1959, when the new Indian government drafted a law to replace the British one, it granted every citizen the right to bear arms, regardless of race or social standing.

Businesses such as Mr Ghei’s – which at the time was run by his father – boomed as people bought guns for hunting, protection and as status symbols.

But in the 1980s, with separatist insurgencies raging in Kashmir and Punjab and a Maoist rebellion in the centre of the country, the government began to make it harder to get gun licences and permits to travel with a firearm.

Now, gun enthusiasts say, the only way to purchase a legal firearm is to ask a local politician to pull some strings or to pay a hefty bribe.

“I am a free citizen with no criminal record,” said Sandeep Mukherjee, 44, who has been waiting more than two years for a permit to carry his handgun with him when he travels.

“I am not going to pay a bribe. It’s a right given to me under Indian law, why can’t I exercise that right?”

Like many would-be gun owners, Mr Mukherjee said his desire to own a firearm stems from a need to protect himself and his family. India has one of the lowest ratios of police to population in the world – 130 per 100,000, compared to an international average of 270.

In states such as Uttar Pradesh, where Mr Mukerjee lives, kidnappings, armed robberies and highway hold-ups are still commonplace.

He and other Nagri members argue that a combination of a slothful judicial system and a corrupt police force contribute to the rising crime rates, and more open gun laws can act as a deterrent.

“An armed society is a polite society,” said Rahoul Rai, the president of Nagri.

But anti-gun campaigners say arming citizens is not the way forward. The Control Arms Foundation of India (Cafi), which was set in up 2004 in response to rising gun crime in the north-east, estimates there are already some 46 million firearms in India, making it the country with the second largest number of guns in civilian hands after the US.

“If I say I am going to protect myself then I exempt the state from doing its job. What India are we living in? This is not some failed state,” said Arundhati Ghose, a former India ambassador to the UN who campaigns for Cafi.

Cafi estimates that some 58,000 people have died as result of armed violence in India in the past 15 years, while tens of thousands more have been wounded or maimed.

Nagri counters that the majority of these were caused by the 40 million illegal arms in circulation, not the 5 million legal ones held by people it hopes to represent.

“No criminal is standing in line applying for a firearms licence,” said the Nagri founder Mr Singh. “Why would he? He can get more firepower on the black market and he is less traceable. It is only the law-abiding citizen who is affected by these laws.”
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Re: Gun ownership laws trigger Indian debate

Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 10:14 am
by m24
You know what, let's collate all the links of foreign press journalists who have reported about NAGRI and RKBA in India. Forward the same to all the Indian dailies(Print, TV, Internet) and see if anything good comes out of it.

And CAFI can go and take a hike. :evil:

Regards

Re: Gun ownership laws trigger Indian debate

Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 10:51 am
by mundaire
CAFI - is funded from overseas, unless I am mistaken it's Amnesty Intl or one of those agencies which is their primary source of funds. They are all PAID for what they are doing/ saying - it's their job and national and/ or citizens interests are meaningless to them! They are merely concerned about furthering their own careers and getting tickets to the UN. Civil rights of citizens be damned!! :evil:

NAGRI - is funded purely through donations received from it's founder members. NO ONE is PAID a dime, it's a collection of public spirited citizens trying to do what is right for ordinary citizens and the nation!

There can simply be no comparison!

Re: Gun ownership laws trigger Indian debate

Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 10:56 am
by Virendra S Rathore
Yeah that could be done. Our media has been silent to the letters to MPs that we copied them, back in Jan and now as well. Sad.

Re: Gun ownership laws trigger Indian debate

Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 12:07 pm
by goodboy_mentor
As per CAFI “If I say I am going to protect myself then I exempt the state from doing its job......" Doing nothing but misleading the people with pure nonsense. Nobody is stopping the state, it is already armed more than necessary. CAFI does not know that self defense is SELF defense, it cannot be delegated to ANYBODY even if it is the state. It is also guaranteed by Constitution. The citizens also do law enforcement, that is what sections 96 to 106 IPC want them to do. Whenever any citizen acts in self defense as per IPC 96 to 106, he/she is enforcing the law exactly just like police. Hence citizens do law enforcement to maintain peace, law and order.
‘‘The right of self-defense is the first law of nature; in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest possible limits. ... and when the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction.’’— Saint George Tucker, Judge of the Virginia Supreme Court 1803
‘‘...for it is a truth, which the experience of all ages has attested, that the people are commonly most in danger when the means of insuring their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain the least suspicion.’’— Alexander Hamilton

Re: Gun ownership laws trigger Indian debate

Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 8:42 pm
by tonysilas
we should make it high and attract the national media....

Re: Gun ownership laws trigger Indian debate

Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 11:17 am
by winnie_the_pooh
If I say I am going to protect myself then I exempt the state from doing its job. What India are we living in? This is not some failed state,” said Arundhati Ghose
Using the same argument there should be a ban on water filters in homes(would exempt the state from providing safe drinking water).There should be a ban on electric generators(would exempt the state from providing electricity through out the day).I am sure the same logic can be applied to many other situations.

Re: Gun ownership laws trigger Indian debate

Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 2:22 pm
by goodboy_mentor
:D Very well said WTP!!!There should be only govt. hospitals, no private hospitals and nursing homes as they would prevent the state from providing medical help. There should be only govt. schools, no private schools as they would prevent the state from providing education.