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Why "Right to bear arms" is not recognized as liberty in India!

Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2024 11:14 pm
by Snahashis Das
If we look at history, the right of Indian civilians to bear firearms was taken away for the very first time by the British in the year, 1878 - The time when first Amrs Act was introduced in India

“Among the many misdeeds of british rule in India, history will look upon the act depriving a whole nation of arms”.
- One of Gandhi's famous quotes.
He was the one to heavily protest against it.

It’s been almost a century since the british left this country, yet we didn’t get back our rights to bear arms till this day.
After the british imperilism came to its end, we were supposed to have some rights and right to bear arms was one of them but the new rulers cheated on us too!
Indian constitution declared it as a crime and
the evil bureaucrats & politicians always did things to keep it even more away from the citizens.
There is a huge gap between "Regulation" and "Prohibition", our constitution chose "Prohibition" completely.
The widely accepted fact - "Right to bear arms is an important part of liberty", is denied by indian constitution.

If it wasn’t this way, bearing arms would have been a fundental right of us Indian citizens.
The benefits and opportunities are endless, if “citizens bearing arms” is decriminalized -

[1] Crime would reduce because at least one thought would always cross a criminal's mind before they try to attack someone - "what if that person got a concealed weapon?", like in America.
Moreover an individual would think 10 times before drawing his registered weapon to shoot someone that easily or cause violence since they would have a sense of accountability unlike one having an illegal weapon.

Data shows that the countries that actually legalized weapons have acheived a significant positive difference in gun related crime rate, Brazil is the biggest example.
Illegal fire arms in india make almost about 85% of its total gun related crimes.
Imagine what the outcome could it bring in india!

[2] Illegal weapon manufacturing would reduce significantly and crimes related to illegal fire arms obtaining would be very less.

[3] Good & Law Abiding citizens like us would be able to protect their life, property and liberty and would feel a "Sense Of Security & Safety",

[4] Police would be able to spend their valuable time & energy in investigation of more important cases.

[5] Having rights for citizen to "Manufacturing Of Weapon" would bring up a new competition era in our country's history due to which invention of new weapons would be possible and a huge revolution could take place in the Indian fire arm industry.

Being educated in this field would open new doors for research & development in a broader scale, and we would be able to contribute much more advanced technologies to our ARMY & our national security so that we don't have to rely on other countries for weapons.

[6] New jobs would be created for people which would also contribute to our country's GDP.

[7] Prices will drop significantly for all weapons which are currently way too overpriced in our country hence people would be able to practice more for sports shooting and could represent our country on international level
.........
The opportunities & benefits are endless and outweighs the disadvantages.

It is only India where rulers and its supporters portray firearms in a way such that it seems to be meant for violence only.
They are well arware that an armed citizenry acts as a check on governmeng power, ensuring that the nation does not overreach or infringe upon individual freedom and they brainwash people instead of educating everyone about fire arms & fire arms safety.
Shame on my independent country, Shame!

Guns are not that dangerous they portray them as but a person with an evil mind is.

Even the American history proves that an armed populace serves as a check on potential government overreach or tyranny, preserving democratic freedoms.

Always remember - "a nation without its liberty that has desarmed its citizens can never form a true democracy and is doomed to reach tyranny!"

Its just something what is capable of killing doesn't mean that's the only thing it's meant to.

In many western countries like US & Switzerland, keeping guns represents a “freedom hobby” which ensures the nation's liberty as well as its democratic safety and stability and a citizen bearing arms is a “part of true liberty” which only Indian rulers deny!

No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.

"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."

~ Thomas Jefferson

Re: Why "Right to bear arms" is not recognized as liberty in India!

Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2024 2:40 pm
by hornet22
Most liberal gun laws countries where you can own and shoot a fully automatic ak 47 are the worst in law and order and human rights

Re: Why "Right to bear arms" is not recognized as liberty in India!

Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2024 5:10 pm
by HasnainQureshi21
you are not alone brother, I too think like this

But our government wants us to disarmed
Our laws make no sense, aren't we a free nation
Criminals are running around with automatics but we can't even own semi auto
Even if we managed to get a NPB firearm, we have to deal with stupid ammo limits
Snahashis Das wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2024 11:14 pm
If we look at history, the right of Indian civilians to bear firearms was taken away for the very first time by the British in the year, 1878 - The time when first Amrs Act was introduced in India

“Among the many misdeeds of british rule in India, history will look upon the act depriving a whole nation of arms”.
- One of Gandhi's famous quotes.
He was the one to heavily protest against it.

It’s been almost a century since the british left this country, yet we didn’t get back our rights to bear arms till this day.
After the british imperilism came to its end, we were supposed to have some rights and right to bear arms was one of them but the new rulers cheated on us too!
Indian constitution declared it as a crime and
the evil bureaucrats & politicians always did things to keep it even more away from the citizens.
There is a huge gap between "Regulation" and "Prohibition", our constitution chose "Prohibition" completely.
The widely accepted fact - "Right to bear arms is an important part of liberty", is denied by indian constitution.

If it wasn’t this way, bearing arms would have been a fundental right of us Indian citizens.
The benefits and opportunities are endless, if “citizens bearing arms” is decriminalized -

[1] Crime would reduce because at least one thought would always cross a criminal's mind before they try to attack someone - "what if that person got a concealed weapon?", like in America.
Moreover an individual would think 10 times before drawing his registered weapon to shoot someone that easily or cause violence since they would have a sense of accountability unlike one having an illegal weapon.

Data shows that the countries that actually legalized weapons have acheived a significant positive difference in gun related crime rate, Brazil is the biggest example.
Illegal fire arms in india make almost about 85% of its total gun related crimes.
Imagine what the outcome could it bring in india!

[2] Illegal weapon manufacturing would reduce significantly and crimes related to illegal fire arms obtaining would be very less.

[3] Good & Law Abiding citizens like us would be able to protect their life, property and liberty and would feel a "Sense Of Security & Safety",

[4] Police would be able to spend their valuable time & energy in investigation of more important cases.

[5] Having rights for citizen to "Manufacturing Of Weapon" would bring up a new competition era in our country's history due to which invention of new weapons would be possible and a huge revolution could take place in the Indian fire arm industry.

Being educated in this field would open new doors for research & development in a broader scale, and we would be able to contribute much more advanced technologies to our ARMY & our national security so that we don't have to rely on other countries for weapons.

[6] New jobs would be created for people which would also contribute to our country's GDP.

[7] Prices will drop significantly for all weapons which are currently way too overpriced in our country hence people would be able to practice more for sports shooting and could represent our country on international level
.........
The opportunities & benefits are endless and outweighs the disadvantages.

It is only India where rulers and its supporters portray firearms in a way such that it seems to be meant for violence only.
They are well arware that an armed citizenry acts as a check on governmeng power, ensuring that the nation does not overreach or infringe upon individual freedom and they brainwash people instead of educating everyone about fire arms & fire arms safety.
Shame on my independent country, Shame!

Guns are not that dangerous they portray them as but a person with an evil mind is.

Even the American history proves that an armed populace serves as a check on potential government overreach or tyranny, preserving democratic freedoms.

Always remember - "a nation without its liberty that has desarmed its citizens can never form a true democracy and is doomed to reach tyranny!"

Its just something what is capable of killing doesn't mean that's the only thing it's meant to.

In many western countries like US & Switzerland, keeping guns represents a “freedom hobby” which ensures the nation's liberty as well as its democratic safety and stability and a citizen bearing arms is a “part of true liberty” which only Indian rulers deny!

No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.

"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."

~ Thomas Jefferson

Re: Why "Right to bear arms" is not recognized as liberty in India!

Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2024 10:38 pm
by Snahashis Das
Hello hornet22!
You're living in mars I guess brother, who's talking 'bout AK-47? We don't need full auto, just semi auto is more than enough!
BTW India is a country where people don't feel safe at all, be it men or women and bearing arms for self-defence makes a much more sense than ever. People have lost faith in law & order. If law & order had existed, countless rapes and murders wouldn't have happened and it's high time people pick up arms to defend their lives!
Your opinion also doesn't change the fact that bearing arms is an important part of liberty.

"A nation without its people having right to bear arms can never have liberty, bearing arms is a fundamental part of liberty" ~ Alexandar Hamilton

Re: Why "Right to bear arms" is not recognized as liberty in India!

Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2024 7:53 pm
by PRINCESIDHU007
Informative

Re: Why "Right to bear arms" is not recognized as liberty in India!

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2024 8:08 am
by hornet22
Snahashis Das wrote:
Sun Oct 20, 2024 10:38 pm
Hello hornet22!
You're living in mars I guess brother, who's talking 'bout AK-47? We don't need full auto, just semi auto is more than enough!
BTW India is a country where people don't feel safe at all, be it men or women and bearing arms for self-defence makes a much more sense than ever. People have lost faith in law & order. If law & order had existed, countless rapes and murders wouldn't have happened and it's high time people pick up arms to defend their lives!
Your opinion also doesn't change the fact that bearing arms is an important part of liberty.

"A nation without its people having right to bear arms can never have liberty, bearing arms is a fundamental part of liberty" ~ Alexandar Hamilton
If I was living in Mars I would have agreed to all what you have said, nobody is against guns here or else I wouldn't be in this forum, I personally think only deserving individuals should be given arms licence

Re: Why "Right to bear arms" is not recognized as liberty in India!

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2024 10:10 am
by chicky
I agree Hornet, that "deserving individuals" should be granted license, however I also feel once granted, they should be allowed to buy their choice of weapon from where ever they want ( with a condition that they cannot sell that in 5-8 years)

Here's to wishful thinking...

Chicky

Re: Why "Right to bear arms" is not recognized as liberty in India!

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2024 9:32 pm
by timmy
hornet22 wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2024 8:08 am
I personally think only deserving individuals should be given arms licence
Just who the "deserving individuals" are and who gets to pick them is exactly the problem. That is what is being done now, and why the situation is the way that it is.

The problem is solved not by selecting "deserving individuals," but by making gun rights a right, one that can only be denied by due process, not by assuming that everyone needs to give a reason for having a gun, or denying a person their rights with some frivolous excuse, or by hiding the license application under a pile of papers to disappear forever.

Re: Why "Right to bear arms" is not recognized as liberty in India!

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2024 5:39 pm
by Vikram
Precision is important when used in specific contexts such as gun rights. I understand what you mean by "deserving" but that implies a lot of subjectivity and ambiguity in decision making and rights cannot be left to the subjective whims of the licensing authorities. People who are legally eligible should not be denied their right to own firearms legally on the premise that one does not deserve to own one. JMHO.

Re: Why "Right to bear arms" is not recognized as liberty in India!

Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 1:57 pm
by Snahashis Das
Of course criminals should not be obtaining firearms but the law abiding & responsible citizens should and should have the right to bear arms for self-protection and survival.
Even Indian law & order is a failure itself in providing safety & security to the citizens!

On an average In India, every day 84 women get raped and 61 men get murdered with 98.5% of these victims being defenseless!
At the end of the day it is always the victim or the victim's family that has to suffer not the government, not constitution and not even the bureaucrats!

Obtaining firearms is just a cake walk for the criminals here irregardless of the state or the district.
It's so easily available in the black markets that anyone can get their hands on one anytime if they want, while a good law abiding citizen, intending to protect own life & familly has to go through a ridiculously long, time consuming, frustrating, tiring and exhausting process of obtaining a firearm license even with the chances of rejection being always so high as almost 95-99%, it's like climbing the top of the mount evarest with no safety equipments or gears.

By the time a person goes through the process of obtaining a license, his/ her funeral is already over.
This is India!

Something that's capable of killing doesn't mean that's the only thing its meant to.
If India is a developing country, why is the thought of its government, constitutionalists and beureaucrats so tiny?

Bearing arms should be a fundamental right of everyone unless they mean no harm to anyone in the society as simple as that, specially the responsible & law abiding citizens always!
Even bearing arms re-defines and develops a person's confidence, sense of authority, personality, character and overall welbeing, it kicks in a primal instinct of responsibility, discipline & mental stability for survival.

Disarming a nation's citizens is like castrating a man!

Trying in a legal way to obtain a firearm, having all clean records & documents, complying with all legal steps and procedure but at the end, getting rejected and denied the permit to have the tool of his/her choice to defend against a serious threat leads the person to obtain it illegally sometimes...

MAKE FIREARMS LEGAL!

Re: Why "Right to bear arms" is not recognized as liberty in India!

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2024 2:14 am
by Mr.Shome
Deleted post as it wasn't to the point.

Re: Why "Right to bear arms" is not recognized as liberty in India!

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2024 11:20 am
by Mr.Shome
Deleted post. Will re-post soon.

Re: Why "Right to bear arms" is not recognized as liberty in India!

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2024 1:38 pm
by hornet22
timmy wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2024 9:32 pm
hornet22 wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2024 8:08 am
I personally think only deserving individuals should be given arms licence
Just who the "deserving individuals" are and who gets to pick them is exactly the problem. That is what is being done now, and why the situation is the way that it is.

The problem is solved not by selecting "deserving individuals," but by making gun rights a right, one that can only be denied by due process, not by assuming that everyone needs to give a reason for having a gun, or denying a person their rights with some frivolous excuse, or by hiding the license application under a pile of papers to disappear forever.
You are right it's very difficult for the govt to decide who is a deserving individual to keep a gun , so to make it easier the govt has made the licensing process tough and arms and ammo expensive, so only the people who can afford them and who really need a gun will go for it

Re: Why "Right to bear arms" is not recognized as liberty in India!

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2024 2:52 am
by Mr.Shome
This post speaks volumes about your mentality.

Looks like you only support licenses for the ones who can 'AFFORD' as you mentioned.

So, as per you, let others stay defenseless unless you deem them rich enough to own guns?

The contention of 'Who Really Need a Gun' has been misused by LAs over decades to deprive the common man.

Re: Why "Right to bear arms" is not recognized as liberty in India!

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2024 8:30 pm
by hornet22
Mr.Shome wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2024 2:52 am
This post speaks volumes about your mentality.

Looks like you only support licenses for the ones who can 'AFFORD' as you mentioned.

So, as per you, let others stay defenseless unless you deem them rich enough to own guns?

The contention of 'Who Really Need a Gun' has been misused by LAs over decades to deprive the common man.
You don't need to be rich guy to buy a single barrel 12 bore gun in India, but do you want a beggar on the streets to have a licensed weapon

My mentality is based on ground reality and you are talking just to sound right