Indians For Guns

diskaon · Post by **diskaon** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:43 pm

Dear All,

I always thought that Google was a great website. It proved its greatness by introducing me to IFG.com

A little about myself:

i am based out of bangalore, though i was born and brought up in mumbai. I am a native of Coorg(the land of the Kodava's where almost every one has a gun - exemption from indian arms act.)

I have been brought up in the presence of guns(restricted to summer holidays) and among all the cousins was rated as the best shot (second to my elder sister, who was a little better than me).

my grand father had 5 guns (one for each of his sons) and my father inherited a Harrington & Richardson 12 gauge Single Barrel from the collection.

there was a 0.22 single shot bold action (unknown make) which we kids used to use for target practice occationally, though the air guns were free for all (economics comes in between the pure pleasure of shooting)

Thre still is a 410, a muzzle loader and a winchester 1895. i dont know yet which of my uncles got which gun...

I always had an eye on the winchester.. it was a beauty with only 4 bullets available with us for the past ten years or so.. never could shoot it as in case the bullets get finished, there would be no replacements. very sad indeed. I still remember as young boys we would take the gun off the wall mount and load the four bullets and then kneel on the bed and use the under lever in rapid motion to eject the bullets on to the bed.. it would give us real great kicks just doing that.. so what if we were too young to shoot with the heavy gun.

Anyways, I have been surfing IFG for quite some time and recollect going through the site for 2-3 hrs the first time.

I think your views on gun control is very good and am sure some day India will be a safe place with every sane person owning atleast an IOF gun.

regards,

dishkaon

P.S.: My username is in dedication to the sound engineers of Bollywood who have actually changed the way guns sound.

mehulkamdar · Post by **mehulkamdar** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 1:55 am

Diskaon,

You're in the right place to be involved in shooting and fun. If you enjoy fishing even better for you, because our Bangalore and Delhi groups are the most active.

BTW if your 1895 is a 405, it is suddenly a very valuable rifle as the round has found a major revival in the US and ammunition and rifles are commercially available after a hiatus of almost half a century.

Do post pics of your family's guns and get your family members, shooters as they are, to join up here as well.

Chers!

Pran · Post by **Pran** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 6:17 am

Welcome aboard dishkaon.

diskaon";p="21754 wrote: the land of the Kodava's where almost every one has a gun - exemption from indian arms act

The Coorgis don't need a license to own guns?

Pran

Post by **kanwar76** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:10 am

Welcome Dishkyooon....

Keep coming here....

-Inder

diskaon · Post by **diskaon** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:16 pm

Hi and thanks for the welcome...

Mehul, I have not seen the winchester for quite some time.. since my parents shifted there, my visit to my grand dad's house has been only courtesy visits.. i spend most my my now short holidays attending functions or weddings... unlike the old days of 2 months summer holidays.

Will try and get as many pics as possible..

Also, the next time you guys head out for a fishing trip do let me know.

Well Pran, to answer your question.... Coorgis have been a martial race from time immemorial. Prior to 1976 there was no funda of lisence at all.. you could just go to the local gunsmith and ask him to make one for you.. or pick up any piece that he had (read imported).. later due to many unfortunate "feuds" it was felt that lisencing was the way to go.

Even now, we do not get a lisence persay.. but an exemption certificate.. I recollect seeing my dad's exemption certificate long time back..

It read that he belongs to the Kodava race and/or is a jamma tenure holder and hence is exempted from Indian Arms act section .. (a few sections were mentioned there.. i think i would be pertaining to the ownership of guns)

Also for info.. those persons whose families were granted land by the rajas or the british are called jamma tenure holder.. mainly 999 year lease holders are also allowed the exemption.

As of now i donot have a gun lisence, for reason purely financial (Read EMI.. EMI... EMI...EMI) i hope one day we will be able to buy guns on EMIs lol...

one query.. i think i have mixed introduction, arms act, fishing into one string.. pls do let me know if its ok..

Pran · Post by **Pran** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:41 pm

Dishk,
Know quite a few Coorgis.But was unaware of the 'exemption certificate'.

Pran

diskaon · Post by **diskaon** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:15 pm

while surfing i got a link.. the only difference that the gun owned by my father is in 12 gauge.. rest everything is identical....

I have one query.. does 1908 represent the year of manufacture of the year of first production or is it just a model number..

look forward to your comments.

http://www.joesalter.com/detail.php?f_qryitem=3579

penpusher · Post by **penpusher** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 11:15 pm

while surfing i got a link.. the only difference that the gun owned by my father is in 12 gauge.. rest everything is identical....

Excluding the price ,off course

penpusher

mehulkamdar · Post by **mehulkamdar** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 9:19 am

A very large number of Harrington and Richardson single barrel shotguns were sold in India and there are many knocking about even now. The 1908 designation refers to the model year, ie the year the model was introduced. The actual date of manufacture should also be marked on each gun. H&R still make these guns in the US and they are among the cheapest new guns that you can buy here, available for about $ 200 from discount retailers.

The especially valuable ones (in an Indian context) IMO were offered with Paradox style rifling to help farmers use them for controlling both winged as well as four legged vermin with shot or ball. These guns are virtually indestructible if they receive just basic care though they are very heavy and with no refinement whatsoever, but then, they were made for rough use by hardworking farmers, a purpose that they fit very well.

diskaon · Post by **diskaon** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 10:23 pm

Hi,

i got one photo of the H&R shotgun. fogive me for the posing.

also a photo of my dad's Air pistol made in W. Germany.. he had applied for a hand gun lisence in 1974-75 when he was going to germany on a tour. but then the babu's discouraged him and he settled for an air gun.. it is now only a show piece.. its range is about 2 to 3 ft only..

Risala · Post by **Risala** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 12:47 am

Welcome D
Have a few friends in the Mercara,Virajpet area.when I visited Mercara way back in 79 noticed
a lot folks there preferred Singles.
The Shotgun looks in good nick,what vintage is it.
Best
Sanjay

Post by **eljefe** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 2:10 am

Hi Diskaon, welcome to the madness.
Have a relook at the gun safety-finger ON the trigger is a no no...
Good tribute to the Hindi movie sound track of gunfire-it still hasnt changed I bet? sorry dont ask me which was the last hindi movie I saw.

Axx
Can you please log onto photobucket or something and post pics from there?

YouTube · Post by **mundaire** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 3:24 am

diskaon";p="22104 wrote: also a photo of my dad's Air pistol made in W. Germany.. he had applied for a hand gun lisence in 1974-75 when he was going to germany on a tour. but then the babu's discouraged him and he settled for an air gun.. it is now only a show piece.. its range is about 2 to 3 ft only..

Are you sure that's an air-pistol? It looks more like a "pop gun"... you know... the kind that shoots a cork out... Am I on the money?

Cheers!
Abhijeet

Post by **Mack The Knife** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 3:48 am

mundaire";p="22131 wrote:Are you sure that's an air-pistol? It looks more like a "pop gun"... you know... the kind that shoots a cork out... Am I on the money?

Cheers!
Abhijeet

In the U.K. it goes by the brand name Gat. Yes, it's a pop-gun but it will also fire darts.

Mack The Knife

diskaon · Post by **diskaon** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 7:41 pm

Hi,

Well.... the "Air Pistol" in the pic has a concentric barrel. the inner barrel is compressed by hand. at the rear end of the inner barrel is a screwable lock (see it jutting out, just above the handle, in the pic).. that is removed and a 4.5mm pellet is placed into it. then relock and FIRE..

i guess i cannot be called an air gun.. but thats what i have known it as since child hood....

and sanjay.. i too donot know how old the H&R SBBL is, i can easily assume it might be from the 60s or latest 70s. when i asked my dad.. he said its made in "1908" thats why i had the query of model number..

did you guys notice that the barrel is sooooo long that it doesnot fit in the pic.. its 36" long.. thats three feet ..

and eljefe.. this one cant kill a fly...but will keep in mind.

regards,

Diskaon...

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