Identify this..

[jonahpach]

HOKhay folks I remember seeing a handgun like this captured from a terrorist in a newspaper (was it the times of India??) photo a long time ago during the height of the Punjab insurgency..

But have never seen it again untill..

Can some of our experts help me identify this gun?? or is it some kind of Dara permutation

Jonah

[cottage cheese]

Never seen it....

Looks pretty Darra.... right down to the spurious markings... I could be wrong. Very well made piece though.

Looks also like a short cut. The maker simply skipped all the trouble of machining and fabricating the trigger transfer assembly around a conventional pistol magazine. The front feed seems to simplify things.

[Vikram]

Don't know why but it looks like photoshopped.The magazine area looks a bit blurred than the rest of the gun and the quality seem to differ.I could be wrong.

Best-
Vikram

[jonahpach]

Well actually yes! Its a photoshop job no question about it.. but the question still stands does/has anyone seen a similar kind of handgun??

I remember seeing one captured from a militant in a newspaper photo.

Jonah

[Grumpy]

Interesting but daft concept. Why transpose the magazine of a 1911A1 forward of the trigger guard when there is already a similar - if not larger - mag in the grip. As a concept this idea has no benefits whatsover - especially as the barrel has had to be shortened but the recoil travel of the slide increased dramatically.
The pistol has a cast steel frame but with pressed-steel indentations above the magazine.
Obviously the picture has been `doctored`.
As a concept the design should work but it is very poor and makes no sense. A gunmaker - even a backyard cobbler - wouldn`t be using a cast frame......especially not one based on an actual pistol and transposing the magazine.

[mundaire]

I recall seeing something similar while reading something about converting 1911's to full auto operation... IIRC the front "appendage" is NOT a magazine, but simply a handle to help control the pistol in full auto mode... There also seems to be a deep "dimple" in the so called front magazine well...

Cheers!
Abhijeet

[badshah0522]

Exactly it can be a handle or a Spare Mag,,because the mechanism is not Logical- The chamber is Far back from the Magzine feed,,How can a ammo be pulled back from magazine and then feeded in chamber,Chamber is atleast 2 " Back.

I have seen a Country made,.315 with same sort of magazine system with bolt.(Not Automatic)Manual like rifle.

[eljefe]

Beretta Belle had a folding finger grip in front of the trigger guard, to assist in full auto mode.Now also seenin later generation Berettas.However , this addition of a ? magazine defies all logic-except 'photoshop'

[cottage cheese]

Actually, the Photoshop idea looks more convincing now.
Thanks for pointing it out grumps. I'd not expected PS reworks to appear here so the thought didn't pass my mind.

I think now its a fake.

The original Magazine is still there, including the magazine catch.

The notch over the trigger seems like a poorly positioned jpeg cut out.

The pressed dimple that Grumps pointed out is the most noticeable flaw.

Magazine also looks smaller then .45ACP and anyway theres not much you can squeeze into that short magazine.

Magazine cannot be placed ahead of the breech. The ejection slot has obviously been photoshopped forward, since the barrel/link cross pin remains in the original position...which is a technical impossibility.

Sorry I missed this the first time

[mundaire]

Here's a video of a "select fire" 1911 pistol...

Pretty pointless exercise if you ask me... as the video demonstrates, the shooter is just about able to keep the gun under control AND this with a clip shoulder stock!! So being able to hit the intended target on full auto would seem to be a tad difficult...

Cheers!
Abhijeet

[cottage cheese]

Here's a video of a "select fire" 1911 pistol...

Pretty pointless exercise if you ask me... as the video demonstrates, the shooter is just about able to keep the gun under control AND this with a clip shoulder stock!! So being able to hit the intended target on full auto would seem to be a tad difficult...

Cheers!
Abhijeet

Pretty pointless is the word.

Even for protection duties, I think the idea would be somewhat a poor trade off.

One wonders how the likes of the Glock18 and Beretta 951R/M93R still sell. Nevermind the compensator porting, most times the cycling is so violent any level of accuracy is dismal. the 93 could be one pip up because of the 3round burst setting.
I remember there were Brazilian (or was that Argentinian?) and Spanish 1911 clones in full auto as well....not to mention the Stetchkin which I'm told was not a terribly nice weapon.

[Grumpy]

And the H&K VP70 9mm para which had an 18 round mag and a three round `burst-fire` facility.
There was also a full-auto version of the Browning GP35 `High-Power` which was tested by the British SAS.

[Vikram]

If I remember well, the Beretta could be fitted with a drum magazine and a detachable stock.The barrel wear out limit escapes me at the moment.

Best-
Vikram

[cottage cheese]

I know this is going somewhat OT... but, has anybody encountered those John Ramos' full auto hack jobs of 1911 and HPs?
... Just curious...

[Grumpy]

I`ve had full-auto 1911A1s.
They weren`t supposed to fully auto of course...but due to a combination of circumstances.......................................