Indians For Guns

Some of you may recall Grumpy and me discussing this scope in the past. I had always wanted one of these long before the reviews appeared on the internet as I knew the owners of this company would not sell a shabby product.

Since my parents are to go to England next month, I got in touch with Gary and Sammie, the owners of MTC and asked them if they could reserve one for me. It then occured to me that Asif was in England at that very moment. So after a few e-mails, cell phone messages and a bit of juggling with the finances the scope was UPS'ed to Asif and I finally managed to lay my grubby mitts on it last night.





This scope comes with thoughtful little features that point to shooting enthusiasts rather than bean counters having a say about the final package.

On opening the box, I found the scope securely boxed and the following accessories besides the obligatory owners manual, lens cleaning cloth and sachet of silica gel.



There was a set of two-piece 30mm mounts (this scope has a 30mm tube) and allen keys.



Screw-in metal flip-up lens caps and keys to loosen or tighten them. Besides having a double bayonet latch, the flip-ups are also o-ring sealed against the elements.



Another nice feature of these flip-ups is that they fold down quite substantially when opened rather than stay at the vertical or near vertical like most.





The next accessory is a 3" long sunshade and adaptor ring for the same. This scope is longer than what I would have ideally liked, so I don't see myself using this feature very often, if at all. However, it's a nice accessory to have for those who do use one.



There are three turrets on this scope. The top and right turret caps protect the elevation and windage adjustments, whilst the third turret, on the left, regulates the brightness of the illuminated centre dot. The turrets are finger adjustable and there is no need for a coin or screwdriver.





However, there is a little something more. The inside of the windage turret houses a spare cell. Now that is thoughtful!



I have been reading about the zoom rings being tight. Well, mine is a bit on the tight side but quite manageable and it will loosen a bit with use, so this does not worry me in the least. The important thing is that the zoom ring is smooth to operate.



The scope also has a quick focus ring and this too works without a glitch. Both rings are aggressively crenellated and will not slip in the wet or pose a problem to a gloved hand.



The reticle is a German #4 with an illuminated centre dot and the optics are very close to being brilliant - from edge to edge.



My criticisms are few. For one the threads on the windage and elevation turrets are ever so slightly rough. I will brush them out later and add a small dab of grease to see if that improves things. There may also be a problem with the ocular flip-up not screwing in tight, though the third time I tried it, it did. Need to check that again. However, these are both minor matters but there is one that has been a real disappointment and it is to do with the illumination system. There is a bit of red flare on the lowest settings (1 & 2) and I wish this were not the case.

Other than the above, I would have been happier if the length and weight could have been reduced but that's about it and I am glad I finally managed to get one.

My thanks to all concerned.







Edit 1: The flip-up covers fit just fine. I was making the mistake of tightening them by screwing them on without using the supplied keys.

Edit 2: The turrets on this scope track precisely. After a rough borescoping, I shot twice at 25 yards and the point of impact was 3" low and 1/2" to the right. 48 clicks up and 8 clicks to the left and the rifle put the third shot exactly in the centre. No tapping of turrets or putting a few shots through to let the reticle settle was required.

Congrats! I don't know jacksh1t about scopes- so wouldn't comment on it. Which rifle is this going on?

Pran

Nice striptease...er scopetease saar .

Scope looks sweet, congrats.

regards

OUP

lovely

Which rifle is this going on?

The IOF .30-06. Assuming I can afford the bally thing.

lovely

It has an uncanny resemblance to a Schmidt & Bender I have seen. The optics are just as good but it costs 1/8th or 1/10th the cost of a similar spec S&B. And I don't mean Hungarian S & B's

It`s a great scope and superb value for money.......almost unbelievable.
As far as the rough screw threads are concerned my only comment is that if you want perfection you have to pay the appropriate price........
I disagree slightly that the illuminates dot `flares` at low settings......although it`s only a matter of semantics. My impression the the light was more diffuse which I put down to the voltage being inadequate for the LED to operate efficiently - interestingly it improved after time and when the battery was replaced, particularly on the `2` setting.
The scope didn`t strike me as being heavy.....there`s too much lightweight crap about nowadays. Felt solid to me ...... and quite light compared to some of the scopes around here. Remember that it has a 30mm tube and the electronics associated with the IR to take into consideration.
If I needed a 1.5-6 vari-power scope I`d buy one like a shot.
I`d never even heard of MTC until you mentioned them to me Mack The Knife and remember being quite dismissive thinking that they would be over-priced crap........such as the over-hyped Simmons Whitetail Classics which are supposed to give an advantage in lower light conditions but are noticably dim compared to the MTCs.
It would be interesting for you to give a user impression after a few weeks use.

Mack The Knife Bana";p="47132 wrote:The IOF .30-06.

Look forward to it :Drool:

30 06 yes yes. would love to fire a shot from that

As far as the rough screw threads are concerned my only comment is that if you want perfection you have to pay the appropriate price........

Certainly but I don't see it costing an arm and a leg either. Especially for goods made in China. A good example of this are the Fenix flashlights. A year or so back I had ordered one for a friend of mine and was unimpressed with the threads. A few months back I bought one for myself and found that the threads were infinitely better. Mine did cost about $10.00 more but that price difference wasn't paid for the improved threading but a far better torch in all respects.

I disagree slightly that the illuminates dot `flares` at low settings......although it`s only a matter of semantics.

It's more of a reverse 'flare' in the NW-SE orientation. By reverse flare, I mean that it is more pronounced at the edges and gradually tapers down to the centre forming a triangle of sorts. Don't know about you but any setting above two makes it quite pronounced and annoying. I will take some pics tonight to illustrate what I mean.

I have mounted it on the rimfire and it's heavy enough compared to the 2-7x32 Elite 3200 it replaced to be quite noticeable but in a nice way. Or at least for me since I am used to heavy target rifles. I wouldn't say light weight scopes are a bad thing because they are less prone to change the handling of the rifle.

I was hoping to do a turret tracking test tomorrow but may have to put this on hold. Will post here when I have the results.

snIPer";p="47145 wrote:30 06 yes yes. would love to fire a shot from that

At Rs.135.00 per shot (or is it more now?) one shot is probably all you will get.

I think Pran had a go with one sometime back when we were hitting clays at 100 yards. Well then, that's one round saved.

Much obliged Rusty Thanks.

Mack The Knife Bana";p="47148 wrote: I think Pran had a go with one sometime back when we were hitting clays at 100 yards.

No I didn't

>Well then, that's one round saved.

Not anymore

Grumpy, herewith three pics to illustrate my point.

At setting No.1




At an intermediate setting. Think it was 4 or 5.




At the highest setting (11). I know this wont be used at night, so spare me the discourse.

Rs 135 per shot What are you firing?Gold bullets?

Ah.........that`s definitely flare. The one I tested didn`t have that problem.