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Posted: **Tue May 11, 2021 3:38 pm**

Dear forum members, I want to know some information about Ammo which is 50-110 WCf (50 Express) is available in India are not, For my Rifle Winchester trademark, stamped in barrel 50 eley ex and in the butt stock PAT OCT 7th 79.

Posted: **Tue May 11, 2021 6:46 pm**

I found this

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/.50-110_Winchester

You seem to have a treasure trove of interesting guns.

Posted: **Tue May 11, 2021 9:23 pm**

eljefe wrote: ↑
Tue May 11, 2021 6:46 pm
I found this

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/.50-110_Winchester

You seem to have a treasure trove of interesting guns.

Sir this is information only... I want to know the status of availability.

Posted: **Tue May 11, 2021 10:13 pm**

@Anksthakur,
Brother not many arms dealers are members here so looks like you will not be getting some solid leads real fast. Only option is to try the yellow pages section here. Looking at post by eljefe your chances of getting this cartridge really seem slim. All the best for your search. In case you find its availability somewhere plz post here, members who have this same rifle will benefit.

Posted: **Tue May 11, 2021 11:39 pm**

Anksthakur, the information you have given is about two different things. The cartridge marking is for 50 Eley Express, otherwise termed 500 Express. This is a very long cartridge that will only chamber in a single shot rifle. This would indicate that the rifle in question is something like this one:

https://www.rockislandauction.com/detai ... ress-rifle

because you state that the rifle is a Winchester. This is the only Winchester that the 50 Eley Express would fit, as the 1886 lever action Winchester is far too short to chamber such a cartridge, and the cartridge is too fat.

The cartridge you are speaking of, the 50-110 Winchester, is intended for the Model 1886 lever action gun. Looking at the base diameters of 50 Eley Express and 50-110 Winchester, it is more than possible that firing a 50-110 cartridge in a rifle chambered for 50 Eley Express would split open and pour hot gasses in your face. (May I observe that, from personal experiences, this is NOT an enjoyable event!) Furthermore, the difference in the rim diameters of the two rounds makes it unlikely that the extractor of a 50 Eley Express rifle would extract a 50-110 cartridge.

The bottom line here is that firing a 50-110 cartridge in a rifle intended for 50 Eley Express is dangerous and not very useful, although no doubt there is some individual who has done it somewhere at sometime.

Now, for ammunition:

50-110 is somewhat available in the USA. It isn't loaded by any of the large commercial ammunition companies, but would be available from smaller semi-custom and custom concerns, such as Buffalo Arms.

https://www.buffaloarms.com/50-110-winc ... 10win.html

Regarding 50 Eley Express, I suggest that you read this article:

https://www.riflemagazine.com/the-big-50

And then consult this page:

https://www.buffaloarms.com/ammunition/ ... er-up.html

The bottom line:

For such a rifle as a Winchester Model 1885 Single Shot in 50 Eley Express, you are looking ammunition costing between $7 and $10 a round. How and how much it would cost to get this ammunition in India is anyone's guess; I don't know about that. If you want this rifle to shoot, you need to either be a very wealthy person (money always finds a way, doesn't it?) or be a reloader, and it would not be especially cheap to reload for 50 Eley Express, either, if you could get the components to do so which, in India, you probably can't. You can't even get components in the USA anymore!

I'm sorry to be the bearer of dismal tidings to your request, but there it is.

Posted: **Wed May 12, 2021 3:22 pm**

timmy wrote: ↑
Tue May 11, 2021 11:39 pm
Anksthakur, the information you have given is about two different things. The cartridge marking is for 50 Eley Express, otherwise termed 500 Express. This is a very long cartridge that will only chamber in a single shot rifle. This would indicate that the rifle in question is something like this one:

https://www.rockislandauction.com/detai ... ress-rifle

because you state that the rifle is a Winchester. This is the only Winchester that the 50 Eley Express would fit, as the 1886 lever action Winchester is far too short to chamber such a cartridge, and the cartridge is too fat.

The cartridge you are speaking of, the 50-110 Winchester, is intended for the Model 1886 lever action gun. Looking at the base diameters of 50 Eley Express and 50-110 Winchester, it is more than possible that firing a 50-110 cartridge in a rifle chambered for 50 Eley Express would split open and pour hot gasses in your face. (May I observe that, from personal experiences, this is NOT an enjoyable event!) Furthermore, the difference in the rim diameters of the two rounds makes it unlikely that the extractor of a 50 Eley Express rifle would extract a 50-110 cartridge.

The bottom line here is that firing a 50-110 cartridge in a rifle intended for 50 Eley Express is dangerous and not very useful, although no doubt there is some individual who has done it somewhere at sometime.

Now, for ammunition:

50-110 is somewhat available in the USA. It isn't loaded by any of the large commercial ammunition companies, but would be available from smaller semi-custom and custom concerns, such as Buffalo Arms.

https://www.buffaloarms.com/50-110-winc ... 10win.html

Regarding 50 Eley Express, I suggest that you read this article:

https://www.riflemagazine.com/the-big-50

And then consult this page:

https://www.buffaloarms.com/ammunition/ ... er-up.html

The bottom line:

For such a rifle as a Winchester Model 1885 Single Shot in 50 Eley Express, you are looking ammunition costing between $7 and $10 a round. How and how much it would cost to get this ammunition in India is anyone's guess; I don't know about that. If you want this rifle to shoot, you need to either be a very wealthy person (money always finds a way, doesn't it?) or be a reloader, and it would not be especially cheap to reload for 50 Eley Express, either, if you could get the components to do so which, in India, you probably can't. You can't even get components in the USA anymore!

I'm sorry to be the bearer of dismal tidings to your request, but there it is.

I have this Winchester rifle, 50 Eley Ex stamped in the barrel, but I had someone suggested that point 50-110 WCF cartridge is suitable for that, so I asked you. What types cartridge will be suitable for the barrel.

Posted: **Thu May 13, 2021 1:53 am**

This is about what you are looking at:

Firstly, you need a bullet that is 13 mm / 0.510" diameter
Secondly, the base of the case (the section right next to the rim, but not the rim) should be 14.7 mm / 0.680" diameter. This is important, because a smaller case in this area is likely to split, and spew hot gasses in your face. A larger one won't fit into the chamber.
Thirdly, you need a rim of about 16.8 mm / 0.660" diameter. This isn't quite as critical, but you can't be much larger than this and have the cartridge chamber, and if you go much smaller than this, the extractor won't pull the case from the chamber after firing.

Just for comparison, the 50-110 Winchester will have a rim of 0.610" diameter and the body just ahead of the rim will be about 0.550" in diameter. The bullet will be about right, but when you shoot it, the case is likely to split around the head and the extractor may not reliably catch the smaller rim.

The short story is, you should try to find the right ammunition for the gun.

That is a very desirable gun, by the way; thanks for sharing the photos!

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