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.30 vs .32 calibre pistol cartridge.

Dont know too much about these cartridges.

Want to know about these two cartridges.
Which one is:
1) more powerful.
2) more accurate.
3) more varities available in market.

Thanks in advance for your inputs.


Regards.

1. The .30 caliber (7.63x25 Mauser/7.62x25 Tokarev) is far more powerful than the .32 ACP
2. A cartridge, per se, does not determine accuracy, but the gun it is fired in. If you wanted to turn them in target cartridges, the .30 would probably have the edge. Pocket pistols for self defense and military pistols are not made for "accuracy". They are made to function reliably (we hope), and hit a body sized target at close range.
3. Can't tell you what's available in India.

TwoRivers wrote:1. The .30 caliber (7.63x25 Mauser/7.62x25 Tokarev) is far more powerful than the .32 ACP
2. A cartridge, per se, does not determine accuracy, but the gun it is fired in. If you wanted to turn them in target cartridges, the .30 would probably have the edge. Pocket pistols for self defense and military pistols are not made for "accuracy". They are made to function reliably (we hope), and hit a body sized target at close range.
3. Can't tell you what's available in India.

Thanks bro for your input.
Actually the purpose / want to give my wife for self defence.
we have lots of guns available in .30 caliber but all are heavy to carry and racking the slide.
my friend told me to buy a gun in .32 caliber Walther .32 ... too light weight and easy to carry.

what u suggest is .32 enough for self defence.??

also need opinion and feedback on Walther .32 or any other gun like llama, star.

walther .32 is available in our market at price of 40,000/-

i would suggest that you go for a Walther PPK, it was issued to German army and police during the second world war, also they are easy to maintain and use....
Also i would recommend that you use jacketed hollow points ammo

DOM,

I would suggest buying your wife a pistol in .380 ACP if you have to buy her a pistol.

However,keep in mind,that a revolver is much simpler for a novice to learn to use safely.Not that a pistol is complicated.Just that a revolver is easier.A S&W 5 shot snub nosed revolver in .38 Spl would be easy to carry and adequate in terms of performance.

Advantages of a revolver:-

1.Will tell you at a glance if it is loaded or not.
2.Can be left loaded for an indefinite period without placing any spring under tension.
3. The 5-8/9 shots it offers are plenty for any self defence situation.
4.Can be brought into play without having to fiddle around with any safety.
5.In case of a misfire,all it takes is a pull of the trigger to bring up a fresh cartridge.
6.No feeding issues or ejection problems to worry about or jams due to limp wristing.

DOM:

There are so many theories floating about in the gun world regarding what cartridges are suitable for self defense that I hesitate to get into the subject. However, I think that it might be fair to say that .32 ACP might be sufficient, particularly if your Wife is able to practice with whatever gun you get her and she becomes reasonably proficient with it.

My opinion is that, if the pistol you are considering needs to have the slide racked because it cannot be carried safely with a round in the chamber, you should forget that kind of gun and consider another.

The chief advantage of the .32 ACP chambered pistols, like the Walther PPK or the Czech CZ 50/70 is their compactness and ability to be carried with a round in the chamber.

That said, I suggest you take your Wife on your buying trip or at least let her handle the pistol before your decision is final. I got my CZ50 for my Wife, but she cannot reliably pull the double action trigger, so that gun was out for her. (That's OK, because I bought it anyway and like it; I often carry it myself in my camera pouch.)

If you can find one, pistols of the PPK's general size and layout are also available in .380, and .380 closely approaches the power of .38 Special when that round is fired out of a snubby 2 inch barrel. The upgrade from .32 ACP to .380 ACP is worthwhile, in my opinion. In India, .380 ammo is not easily obtained, so you should check to see that the ammo of whatever you choose is readily available. The main reason for this is that the biggest favor you can do for your Wife is to have her practice regularly and often -- as much as possible! This is especially true if she is not used to handling guns.

A revolver does have advantages, as Winnie correctly points out. However, you should note that even a 5 shot S&W Chief's Special snubby is quite a bit larger and more difficult to conceal than a .32 ACP pistol is. Depending on the clothes your Wife generally wears in public, the additional compactness of the pistol may not be something that is a top priority.

My own feeling is that a semi-auto is more difficult to load, especially when getting that round in the chamber, than a revolver is, but that when it comes to shooting and actually operating a semi-auto, it is actually easier. But this is just my opinion based on my own experience and preferences. Each person is different and that's something you should take into consideration -- if your Wife is going to carry it, she must be the one to have the biggest say in what she carries, I think.

My own view is that a .30 Tokarev - chambered pistol (or, 7.62 x 25) would be too much for her, especially if she is not fairly well experienced in shooting pistols. The blast can be quite severe for .30 Tokarev as far as some are concerned.

The Walther PPK is a good gun, as are the French made copies. My CZ 50 and the CZ 70 (practically the same gun) are well made and finished, as well. In my opinion, you would not go wrong with any of these.

Another choice you might consider is the Soviet Makarov, or one of its derivatives. A number of former Eastern Bloc nations made Makarovs or Makarov-like pistols, and the ones I've seen and handled are made quite nicely. The 9mm Makarov is slightly more powerful than .380 and the gun itself is said to be inspired by the PPK, all things in its favor in my opinion. If they are available for you and you can get a good, reliable supply of ammo, the Makarov would be an excellent choice for a lady's carry gun.

If you decide to go with a double action revolver, be sure to get one in good shape. As I am a Colt lover, I like my Detective Special. The S&W Chief's Special is a bit smaller, carrying 5 rounds instead of the Colt's 6. There are lots of little parts in a revolver, so be sure to get one in good working order.

Another thing to consider is where and how your Wife will carry. If she stuffs the gun in a purse with a lot of hair pins, gum wrappers, and all sorts of stuff some ladies carry in their purses, a revolver may become jammed in that kind of environment. A pistol may also be subject to debris problems, but less so than a revolver.

These are just a few of my thoughts on the matter.

thanks for your inputs

@ winnie the pooh

you had changed my ming. i will go for revolver snub nose.
any suggestion regarding model.

DOM,

Get a S&W 5 shot in .38 Special.If you can get this one,it would be nice
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/ ... rrorView_Y

I once owned a S&W snubbie in .32S&W Long.Was a sweet revolver.

DOM wrote:
walther .32 is available in our market at price of 40,000/-

Than go for Walther

DOM wrote:.30 vs .32 calibre pistol cartridge.

Dont know too much about these cartridges.

Want to know about these two cartridges.
Which one is:
1) more powerful.
2) more accurate.
3) more varities available in market.

Thanks in advance for your inputs.


Regards.

Dear Dom,

with your quiries answers are below:

DOM wrote:.30 vs .32 calibre pistol cartridge.

Dont know too much about these cartridges.

Want to know about these two cartridges.
Which one is:
1) more powerful. : .30 Cartridge is very powerful. In some states in USA .30 is banned. This is very powerful.
2) more accurate. : .30 Cartridge
3) more varities available in market. .32 Cartridge got much more variety (Indian ammo, Imported with full lead, Wide Cutter, Hollow Point etc

with you HS Bedi

hardeepsinghbedi wrote: with your quiries answers are below:

1) more powerful. : .30 Cartridge is very powerful. In some states in USA .30 is banned. This is very powerful.

Nonsense. No particular cartridge is banned in any state of the USA. When making false statements like that on the forum, at least give your alleged sources, and be more specific.

TwoRivers wrote:

hardeepsinghbedi wrote: with your quiries answers are below:

1) more powerful. : .30 Cartridge is very powerful. In some states in USA .30 is banned. This is very powerful.

Nonsense. No particular cartridge is banned in any state of the USA. When making false statements like that on the forum, at least give your alleged sources, and be more specific.

First of all you need to be polite what you are writing in replies. Instead of writing Nonsense straight away you should ask me where I got the information. secondly, .30 is banned in Massachusetts state. Please go on google and find the information before writing like this.

hardeepsinghbedi and his duplicate ID vikram.kooner - seemingly created for the express purpose of having someone agree with him/ thank him on the forum, have both been banned.

As has been repeated several times creating DUPLICATE IDs = getting permanently banned on IFG!

Cheers!
Abhijeet

DOM wrote:.30 vs .32 calibre pistol cartridge.

Dont know too much about these cartridges.

Want to know about these two cartridges.
Which one is:
1) more powerful.
2) more accurate.
3) more varities available in market.

Thanks in advance for your inputs.


Regards.

Dom what other options do you have other than .30 and .32.?
regards
dr.jk