Astram Magna

jaz · Post by **jaz** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 8:30 pm

What's the difference between IOF Astram magna and other 12 bore ammo.
As I have noticed that brass cap of Astram magna is bit bigger .

Amaresh · Post by **Amaresh** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 9:31 pm

Hello Jaz ,
Simply to say it is a heavier load as compared to other 12 bore ammunition.

Regards,
Amaresh.

marksman_dd · Post by **marksman_dd** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:30 am

it is 3" Magnum cartridge, Heavy load and more power

jaz · Post by **jaz** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 12:14 pm

dear marksman_dd,
my question is still to be answered load's are heavier in astram magna that I know but how much gun powder is more tell me that.

Amit357 · Post by **Amit357** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 1:11 pm

Hi jaz if your question is still not answered maybe this may help.Astram Magna is a 70 mm 2 3/4 inches cartridge,it is loaded with 32 grains of gunpowder.The normal IOF cartridge is loaded with 24 grains of Gunpowder,the normal ctg is 65 mm 2 1/2 inches.Magna is the nearest ctg in india which can be called a Magnum Ctg.IOF produces a Ctg "Deluxe" which is also sold as Astram,this has 26 grains of GP.The deluxe can be used in guns having 65mm Chambers {A lot of English Guns are chambed for the 65 MM Ctg only} although the writing on the ctg says 70 MM cause its a Crimped Ctg not a rolled 1 like Astram Magna.Hope it helps

jaz · Post by **jaz** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 2:12 pm

Amit357 , you have replyed very well , I have used Astram magna and thery are quite effective as compared deluxe. But Amit I think that shaktiman also use 32 (or more Grains) of gunpowder as I fired some shots they have quite a punch.

Risala · Post by **Risala** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 4:07 pm

Amit 357,Jaz

KF Special is 30 g,Deluxe 30.1 g,Astram 32 g,& Magna is 34 g

Look like that only KF is available these days,havent seen Astram for a long time and Magna at all...
Let me know where they are available will pick up a couple of boxes of each in 4's & 6's

Cheers

Amit357 · Post by **Amit357** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:00 pm

Jaz, Magna is there in No 1 only,deluxe u can get in No4,6,Astram magna has disappered from the mkt as Wild Boar after being declared vermin in Punjab & HP,Astarm Magna is 1 of the most relible CTG in the market they are selling for Rs 75/85 a piece in the few places in PB/HP.As far as Shaktiman is considered they use black powder in the CTG.I ruined a perfectly good BSA with Shakiman Ctgs,there loading is very erratic,wont use them in any gun and dont recommend them for any.I had a BAIKAL 16 Bore O/U,messed it up with Shaktiman CTGS.I could be wrong but i dont use them,Either stick to IOF or maybe KOMPAC 71/2 they are v good.Sanjay KF Special has 30 grms of Shot not 30 G of gun powder.They write the weight if the shot on the CTG.Anyway hope it helped

MoA · Post by **MoA** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 2:21 pm

Amit, not sure what you mean by black powder messed up your 16 bore. I shoot a bit of BP and have yet to have a weapon messed up by it.

Post by **TwoRivers** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 2:31 pm

Those charges being quoted are the shot, not the powder. It's not grains of powder, but grams of shot. Cheers.

z375 · Post by **z375** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 4:37 pm

TwoRivers wrote:Those charges being quoted are the shot, not the powder. It's not grains of powder, but grams of shot. Cheers.

I was waiting for this!

Amit357 · Post by **Amit357** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 7:33 pm

MoA hi, shaktman uses the powder you get for muzzle loading guns,the GP is not black its got a maroonish tinge in it,sry when i said BP,by BP u must be using the one ppl use for reloading Rifle and Pis/Rev Ammo

MoA · Post by **MoA** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 4:46 pm

Amit,

Black powder is quite lierally black or a deep graphite colour. i am refering to the muzzle loading variety. The precussion caps used with muzzle loaders are corrosive, and therefore the weapon needs a bath to clean up after shooting it. I do have a few, and have not seen any damage to the weapons from it.
For metallic cartridges one tends to use smokeless powder for the most part. Some cartridges can be loaded with BP for example the 45-70 Govt, but most calibers use smokeless. I have even loaded a 7.62x39 cartridge with BP to see if it would cycle properly.. and it does. Had no damage to the gun even though it did get pretty drty.

Smokeless powder comes in a variety of tinges over graphite. These can range from purplish to greenish. But in general it still is graphite coloured.

Amit357 · Post by **Amit357** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 7:10 pm

Hi, MoA are you sure we are in the same country,here the GP i have seen for MZ Loaders stinks,i love the smell of burning GP.15 yrs back when we guys were low on cash a friend got a Muzzle loader and we used to reload our 12 Ga Ctgs with that,fouled up a BSA,a Geffory,my friends dad who owned the Geff abused us and till now he doesnt lend us his 22 IOF,either you are in a diffrent country or plain lucky

MoA · Post by **MoA** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 11:39 pm

Black Powder doesnt really stink. It just smells a little different. BP fouling is easy to remove, with hot soapy water, and/or windex. At least that is what I use. No damage to the weapon what so ever.
I dont know what luck has to do with BP or gunpowder in general.

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