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All Things Sharp and Pointed: compound and crossbows, knives and swords.
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Yaj
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by Yaj » Fri Feb 12, 2010 9:17 pm
winnie_the_pooh wrote:Yaj,
Thanks for the correction.Always thought that the talwar/shamsheer and all it's variations were derived from middle eastern swords.
Is it possible to illustrate the arms named?
Yes the shamshir,saif, yataghan etc are western asianbut the katar,haladie,bank,bichwa,khanjarli,pata,nair,urumi etc etc are uniquely indian.
As for illustrations I'm not too sure of the copyrights of the images involved else I would have posted them.Many are images downloaded from the net where I dont even remember the source.
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by shooter » Fri Feb 12, 2010 11:04 pm
Zafar takieh and gupti:
I wouldnt have put them under knives. but thats me personally and im not an expert.
Kanwar: that pic is not a shamshir but a tulwar.
Winnie the pooh you are spot on that talwar or shamsheer etc are persian in origin.
Khanda/ rejput khanda/khadag (also spelled as khadga) are indian in their origin also referred to as hindoo sword.
Sosun patta of the marathas is heavily inspired by the rajput khanda.
please note that "khanda" is sometimes used for tulwar (the curved one) but technically it can only refer to the straight edged double sided sword.
indian swords:
rigveds mentions the use of asi. Lord rama in ramayana was considered a good swordsman. Chanakya in his writings divides swords into 3 types:
Nistrimsah
mandalagr
asiyashti
Most historians agree that the original indian sword had a leaf shaped blade; far removed from the famed tulwar or even any sword seen anywhere today.
Alexander brought the roman swords (ala gladiator) to india but they remained popular in todays pakistan and afghanistan.
The khanda and the tegha appear in the first century ad. please note that a khanda is not pointed sharply.
due to limited works on arms, (taxilla was burned down) our knowledge remains sketchy for the next millenia.
but we do know that the swords juggled between the short broad type to slender pointy or curved type depending on geography, timescale kingdoms.
in 12-13 cent we have the following types:
khadug
tegh
lohatti
vaddhali
dodhara
niraasi
patta
katti
gupti
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by Yaj » Sat Feb 13, 2010 1:15 am
shooter wrote:Zafar takieh and gupti:
I wouldnt have put them under knives. but thats me personally and im not an expert.
I agree but as i said earlier I was enumerating short to medium sized sharp edged weapons.
Some of the armour piercing stabbing weapons included in that list would also be stretching the term"knife"
The term katti is quite generic in the south and may mean a knife or a sickle or any chopper
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by shooter » Sat Feb 13, 2010 3:04 pm
would maru made of blackbuck horns be considered as a knife?
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by Olly » Sat Feb 13, 2010 4:17 pm
We need final names for these in the list and then we can push them back into the original list on Page 1.
Dao / Dah from North East... need the final name !!
Khukri
Kirpan
Dao / Dah / ??? (comes from Nagaland)
Tibetan Thees
Tibetan Thees
Pesh Kabz / ???
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by Subal das » Sun Feb 14, 2010 2:29 pm
one more type is training knives, here aluminum trainers which I made my self. at the bottom is rubber trainer knife, absolutely useless for training as soft rubber blade cannot be used for counter attacks and disarms techniques.
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by Yaj » Sun Feb 14, 2010 11:05 pm
Booth the daggers from Sikkim are Tibetan Thees.
The last one is definitely a pesh kabz.
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by Subal das » Mon Feb 15, 2010 2:05 pm
like that one
Crowell/Barker Competition Knife model 580
not importable 10" carbon steel blade, 15" overall,
This unique competition knife is a joint design effort between James Crowell and Reggie Barker, the only two men to have won an American Bladesmith Society (ABS) World Cutting Championship. Known as “The Sharpest Man in Texas,” Reggie Barker has won five cutting competitions in Washington, Arkansas and at the Bill Moran School of Bladesmithing Hammer-ins. He’s taken first place three times at the Spirit of Steel Show and won the 2004 and 2005 ABS World Championship Cutting Competition in Atlanta, Georgia. Well known throughout the knife industry, Crowell’s flawlessly crafted knives have appeared in over 20 publications worldwide and have been regarded among the best hand-forged knives ever produced. The Browning Crowell/Barker Competition Knife includes a top-grain leather sheath and a Certificate of Authenticity, signed by both Jim Crowell and Reggie Barker. If there ever was a first-class, unique knife to collect or use, the Browning Crowell/Barker Competition is that knife.
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by Olly » Fri Mar 12, 2010 6:24 pm
Totally forgot the Machete !!!!
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by jonahpach » Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:01 pm
Olly wrote:We need final names for these in the list and then we can push them back into the original list on Page 1.
Dao / Dah from North East... need the final name !!
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Dao / Dah / ??? (comes from Nagaland)
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Tibetan Thees
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Pesh Kabz / ???
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The first one is a dao from Arunachal (I think)
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by nagarifle » Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:10 pm
Jonha may be right, with the first one, as its not a dao as per se, i have't seen that shape in Nagaland or rounds about, the handle reminds me of khukri for some reason.
the 4th is dao for certain, with bas handle.
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by 100rabh » Wed Apr 28, 2010 7:49 pm
I have a knife collection.
I like blade made of Damsacus.
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by Moin. » Tue May 11, 2010 11:21 pm
Japanese Samurai Katana Blue steel handmade Sword Knife
http://cgi.ebay.in/Japanese-Samurai-Kat ... 3a59f79829
Any idea what this is ? Looks like straight razor. Very intersting description....
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by Moin. » Mon May 24, 2010 2:53 am
Happened to see The Cold Steel Recon Tanto knife at a local store. What is the advantage the tanto style blade geometry offers over the other conventional blade designs. The website says the Recon Tanto’s used by Police Swat and Elite Army Units. Can understand the use of Dagger style blades like the F Skyes, the Gerber MkII, SOG Daggert etc for Close Quarter/hand to hand combat type uses. Seen pics of our own Elite 51 SAG of the NSG with Glock daggers. Can understand the use of Ka bar types of blades for use by Infantry, but what would the Tanto offer over the other blade designs. Tried searching the net but did’t find anything. Any idea?
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by winnie_the_pooh » Mon May 24, 2010 9:33 am
Might I also add that all knives can be broadly categorized into
1.Sharp knives
2.Blunt knives
The former is a tool,the latter is completely useless until you convert it into the former type