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Re: want to buy a good survival/hunter knife-help needed

Post by jashan1 » Wed Sep 22, 2010 7:02 pm

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jashan1 wrote: i wish to buy a good survival/hunter knife.
how can i get it in or around Punjab.
can i get it online,if yes then wats the process?
My recommendation for a survival knife will be one from the the RAT series which have now been renamed as Essee Knives. Check out http://www.eseeknives.com.

A survival knife has to have a simple but strong and and reliable blade which can be used for several situations and all of them not necessarily related to hunting. Also remember that a simple blade is the most suitable as you might have to sharpen it yourself "field sharpening".

The easiest way to buy these is through ebay.com but you will have to look for three things: The ratings on the seller, to convince him to ship to India and lastly to get the seller to ship via Fed Ex or DHL or UPS or any any shipping company other than USPS. These shipping companies will handle the clearance, duties etc.

OR

Get someone to bring it over to you.
hi,
thanks for the suggestion.
i watched the esee knives; not much of the variety though.
i thought of buying a KABAR tanto (serrated or plain)
can you compare these brands?
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Re: want to buy a good survival/hunter knife-help needed

Post by Moin. » Thu Sep 23, 2010 10:11 am

You're based in Punjab. There are a lot of stores around the Golden Temple. Why don't you pick up a good Khukri from one of the Kripan Stores. Excellent Knives, should suffice for all your camping/survival knife needs.

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Re: want to buy a good survival/hunter knife-help needed

Post by miss_3006 » Thu Sep 23, 2010 12:15 pm

As someone said, go for 1 good quality knife, fixed or folder which you are not afraid to beat up when the situation comes. RAT knives i told u are no lookers and they are meant to be used and beaten. If you want a user knife u wont be disappointed with them.

If you want a safe queen, then there are several other options.

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Re: want to buy a good survival/hunter knife-help needed

Post by Rajat » Thu Sep 23, 2010 1:51 pm

jashan1 wrote: i watched the esee knives; not much of the variety though.
i thought of buying a KABAR tanto (serrated or plain)
can you compare these brands?
Jashan,

There is a reason why Esee / Rat Cutlery caries less than a dozen styles compared to the 50 or 100 odd styles carried by any other company. This is because they simply do not need to make other designs as these are well in demand. Their knives are trusted and this is all that they need. Looks can be deceiving. Their simplicity is their strength as I said earlier.

But of course you can buy other knives too as there are some other great knives in the market. These just seemed to be the most suited to your purpose.

The KA Bars are great knives knives and they have earned themselves a great reputation and this comes from the history of their usage BUT You need a hunting / survival knife and the uses are but not limited to: hunting, skinning, prying, cutting, punching, chopping, striking a fire steel etc. etc. The Man Vs Wild series will give you a good idea about the possible uses :wink:

You can buy a Ka Bar but I am not in favour of the Serrated blade as these cannot be sharpened easily. Here is what a company like Benchmade has to say about sharpening the serrated blades they sell "There's never a dull moment with a Benchmade... That's right! We will gladly re-sharpen your Benchmade knife to a factory razor sharp edge (service does not apply to any serrated portion of the blade)."
Source: http://www.benchmade.com/about_knives/l ... ervice.asp

Although it cannot be denied that the serrations do give a lot more cutting power (the points puncture and then the blade cuts easily) but only when sharp.

Now coming to the Tanto: The origin of Tanto is Japan and these were carried on the battlefield and worn mostly by the Samurai. It was designed primarily for stabbing although it can be used for slashing as well. They were basically designed for piercing armour. Now the question is: Do you have these uses in mind?

Once again the sharpening issue comes to my mind with the tanto. The straight slightly curved blades are the easiest to sharpen. What good is a dull knife?

A traditional blade or Drop-point or clip-point usually has a wider blade, and decent thickness. They are ideal for cutting, skinning, carving etc.

Looking into all this personally I would not advice you to either buy a serrated or a tanto point blade.

I also agree with the comments by eljefe and miss_3006. Great advice!

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Re: want to buy a good survival/hunter knife-help needed

Post by choombak » Fri Sep 24, 2010 12:01 am

.32 wrote:A bit OT but from where & how to get these masterpieces sharpened?

Are the scissors/kitchen knives sharpening shops ok?
Get a Spyderco Triangle Sharpmaker from the US. Don't go by the MSRP on Spyderco's site - this typically retails around US $50. I have found it to suffice all my knife and edged tools sharpening needs. Top notch quality for the amount you spend.

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Re: want to buy a good survival/hunter knife-help needed

Post by Rajat » Tue Sep 28, 2010 1:32 pm

choombak wrote:
.32 wrote:A bit OT but from where & how to get these masterpieces sharpened?

Are the scissors/kitchen knives sharpening shops ok?
Get a Spyderco Triangle Sharpmaker from the US. Don't go by the MSRP on Spyderco's site - this typically retails around US $50. I have found it to suffice all my knife and edged tools sharpening needs. Top notch quality for the amount you spend.

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A nice sharpening tool. This is what he means:

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Re: want to buy a good survival/hunter knife-help needed

Post by .32 » Tue Sep 28, 2010 6:00 pm

Thanks, I already got it sharped from local grinders who sharpen scissors/knives.
Repenting now because quality is below-par.

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Re: want to buy a good survival/hunter knife-help needed

Post by Rajat » Wed Sep 29, 2010 11:59 am

.32 Sorry to hear that. It all depends on the skills of the person sharpening it which of course you would not know until you get it done. The only way I see now is to get a cheap knife test sharpened before you hand over your prized possession. This is the only way out when you do not know the skills of the person doing the job.

If you do it yourself without practice then you risk scratching the blade of the knife all over or to damage it in other ways too.

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Re: want to buy a good survival/hunter knife-help needed

Post by miss_3006 » Wed Sep 29, 2010 12:44 pm

Spend 200/- INR and get yourself a whetstone. It is available at all hardware stores and is knows as a carborundum stone. Wet the stone and start the sharpening. You can see various youtube videos for reference.

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Re: want to buy a good survival/hunter knife-help needed

Post by .32 » Wed Sep 29, 2010 8:58 pm

Rajat wrote:.32 Sorry to hear that. It all depends on the skills of the person sharpening it which of course you would not know until you get it done. The only way I see now is to get a cheap knife test sharpened before you hand over your prized possession. This is the only way out when you do not know the skills of the person doing the job
Yeah, actually went to the best person in the City for the job & got 2 scissors & 1 kitchen knife sharpened before he was allowed to lay hands on the prized possession.
I think there's a process by which sharpening is done using diamonds, that gives the best edge. Sadly not available locally!

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Re: want to buy a good survival/hunter knife-help needed

Post by Rajat » Thu Sep 30, 2010 3:32 pm

.32 this is what you are referring to http://www.dmtsharp.com/category/outdoorsport.htm

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Re: want to buy a good survival/hunter knife-help needed

Post by .32 » Thu Sep 30, 2010 4:44 pm

Thanks Rajat, yes maybe this is the thing. Sharpening with these gives a round edge, which is very sharp but also very sturdy. It would be difficult to understand like this but I have 2 Victorinox Kirpans, one was sharpened by Victorinox using diamond machine & the rounded edge is perfect. Other I got done, as stated above from local vender, which is less than perfect.

Will have to ask Victorinox on how they go about sharpening.

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Re: want to buy a good survival/hunter knife-help needed

Post by Rajat » Thu Sep 30, 2010 4:55 pm

Victorinox also carries small pen sized sharpers of their own make. You can get these at any counter which sells these products or from Base Camp. These are also good and can be carried easily too.

I did not understand the term " rounded edge". Please explain.

Edge retention is a property of the knife / metal rather than the sharping system. If an edge is too fine it will cut easily but will be fragile and get blunt on hard use as the metal will wear out easily or can get chipped. The angle of sharpening is quite important. There are great details available on some web sites. Do look these up (sharpening knives) and judging by your interest on this topic the time spent will be worth it.

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Re: want to buy a good survival/hunter knife-help needed

Post by miss_3006 » Thu Sep 30, 2010 5:08 pm

Rounded edge means a rolled edge like this one.

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The DMT and Shaprmakers create a canted edge. The rolled edge is made by traditional hand sharpening method and is more sturdy.

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Re: want to buy a good survival/hunter knife-help needed

Post by Rajat » Thu Sep 30, 2010 5:40 pm

Thanks for clarification. I do know the rolled edge and agree that it lasts longer. Basically you are referring to the "convex edge". It provides the most durable edge at a given angle and has less drag compared to other edge grind types due to smooth transition lines. Instead of tapering in a straight line, the edge is slightly curved outwards.

Edge rolling also means in another context: when you have sharpened a knife to a very fine edge at a very low angle and the thin edge rolls (turns over on the opposite side (burr) which can be removed by stropping.

You have to use sharpening systems in order to hand sharpen a knife maybe not the guided ones but the simple block types. The above mentioned Spyderco system will give you a nice convex edge if used in the right way. It is not a guided system.

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