I am caught having a rambo knife -need your help

[Bhargav]

A "Rambo knife" is not a sword.In India,the law only grants exemption to the sikhs for carrying a kirpan and the gurkhas for carrying a khukhri.However,even in their case,keeping a kirpan/khukhri in a college hostel will lead to unpleasant consequences.Citing religious texts to justify stupidity will not get you anywhere.I think you should add the Arms Act and Rules and the Cr.P.C to your reading.Might come in handy

Are you a foreigner since you say "...Indian university I am in"? That they have taken away your laptop and mobile seems to indicate that there is more to it than what you are telling us.

Don't want to divert the topic here but just a quick question, so in India are we not even allowed to keep a kirpan or a khukhri at home (for a non sikh non gurkha person) ? does that need a license ?

Thank you for your response and back to the original topic.

[sammesanj]

A "Rambo knife" is not a sword.In India,the law only grants exemption to the sikhs for carrying a kirpan and the gurkhas for carrying a khukhri.However,even in their case,keeping a kirpan/khukhri in a college hostel will lead to unpleasant consequences.Citing religious texts to justify stupidity will not get you anywhere.I think you should add the Arms Act and Rules and the Cr.P.C to your reading.Might come in handy

Are you a foreigner since you say "...Indian university I am in"? That they have taken away your laptop and mobile seems to indicate that there is more to it than what you are telling us.

Don't want to divert the topic here but just a quick question, so in India are we not even allowed to keep a kirpan or a khukhri at home (for a non sikh non gurkha person) ? does that need a license ?

Thank you for your response and back to the original topic.

Bhargav,
Yes, being a Non-Sikh you can keep a sword, a Kirpan, a khukhri etc at home, but that does'nt
mean you carry them around anywhere you want especially not at a place like college campus.
and you dont need a licence for them, i have got plenty of swords, daggers, kirpans at home.
i am a mona-Sikh(cut-Surd) though. i have gifted swords and Kirpans to few of my NON- SIKH friends, they
face no issues what so ever.

Sam singh

[Mark]

Even my pendrive which is in a shape of a small dummy grenade.
They later returned me the Quran ,hadith book,and the pendrive ,but kept all other things that I gave them.
I completely agree to their actions since I understand the sitiuation,and I am educated about Islamophobia ,and its range .
I feel I should write an unconditional apology letter claiming it was an honest and innnocent mistake tommorow .
Moreover they have called my parents all the way to my university who will have to meet the concerned university authorities.
I only pray that they wont ruin my career by rusticating me from the university.I feel demoralized, alienated,demonized and decredited.Cant focus on studies ,make calls,and using a friends laptop to post.

Taha,

Sorry to hear about all of your troubles but welcome to the world of today. In many ways it is not a happy place but it is up to you and your generation to change that.

My advice to you is worth what you pay for it, but you may want to keep it in mind.

First, kiss this knife goodbye and consider the price and effort you have in it to be tuition in contemporary politics and society. If you had paid this price for a course to teach you what you are learning now it would be considered a bargain, and unfortunately class is not over for you yet. You are now learning that it is easy to label people and you should work hard to ensure you are not given one of those labels in the very near future. Here in the USA, at the current moment the standard procedure for what you have done would be to charge you criminally, then they can kick you out and you automatically forfeit all of your tuition and housing fees you have paid, so they make money. I am sorry, those are not my thoughts or beliefs but just how the game is played here at the present time.

Regardless of how this turns out, there are 2 things you NEED to do in my opinion to move forward-

The first thing is to get rid of ANYTHING that can be construed to be a fascination with either weapons or violence. So toss that pen drive, or cut the plastic grenade off at least. Any posters, books on self defense, other toys, etc need to be moved back to your home. You have now officially made yourself known to the current administration and you can't push the envelope any more, you have already stretched it for yourself.

Next, get involved! Join political organizations you believe in and become active in them, and by active I do not mean just showing up at the monthly meeting but participate in discussions and assuming some sort of position of responsibility. If you start doing that now, perhaps your children will not be in the unenviable position of fearing for their future simply because they bought a neat looking toy they saw in a movie.

[Bhargav]

A "Rambo knife" is not a sword.In India,the law only grants exemption to the sikhs for carrying a kirpan and the gurkhas for carrying a khukhri.However,even in their case,keeping a kirpan/khukhri in a college hostel will lead to unpleasant consequences.Citing religious texts to justify stupidity will not get you anywhere.I think you should add the Arms Act and Rules and the Cr.P.C to your reading.Might come in handy

Are you a foreigner since you say "...Indian university I am in"? That they have taken away your laptop and mobile seems to indicate that there is more to it than what you are telling us.

Don't want to divert the topic here but just a quick question, so in India are we not even allowed to keep a kirpan or a khukhri at home (for a non sikh non gurkha person) ? does that need a license ?

Thank you for your response and back to the original topic.

Bhargav,
Yes, being a Non-Sikh you can keep a sword, a Kirpan, a khukhri etc at home, but that does'nt
mean you carry them around anywhere you want especially not at a place like college campus.
and you dont need a licence for them, i have got plenty of swords, daggers, kirpans at home.
i am a mona-Sikh(cut-Surd) though. i have gifted swords and Kirpans to few of my NON- SIKH friends, they
face no issues what so ever.

Sam singh

Ah ok, thanks for the info Sam Singh.

[Moin.]

I have already apologized to and co-operated with the college authories in a good understanding of xenophobia ,sterotyping and islamophobia and let them check my transactions ,videos(Included aljazeera & jouneyman pictures reports which are alledged to be inflammatory) and personal stuff including family photos.I realise on the basis of the situation they have the right to do so and have have taken my laptop ,cell phone ,and I also was asked to submit few books that I read other than for academic purposes,the books were ,Militancy In Jammu and Kashmir by Luv Puri,India-Russia Partnership on Kashmir & chechnya by Deobidutta ,English Translation of the Quran ,Riyadus Sauliheen(a hadith book) .Even my pendrive which is in a shape of a small dummy grenade.
They later returned me the Quran ,hadith book,and the pendrive ,but kept all other things that I gave them.
I completely agree to their actions since I understand the sitiuation,and I am educated about Islamophobia ,and its range .
I feel I should write an unconditional apology letter claiming it was an honest and innnocent mistake tommorow .
Moreover they have called my parents all the way to my university who will have to meet the concerned university authorities.
I only pray that they wont ruin my career by rusticating me from the university.I feel demoralized ,alienated,demonized and decredited.Cant focus on studies ,make calls,and using a friends laptop to post.

P.S I am a proponent of Kashmir being an integral part of the Indian Union,or muslim lands being part of the republics they have formed a part of .

Taha, you mention xenophobia. May I ask are you an india citizen ? I'm almost 33 now and being a Muslim, I for a fact have never experienced any form of discrimination either in school, college or in my professional life. In our country there is equal opportunity for all to succeed, I know enough of very successfull muslim bankers, doctors, engineers etc.

I'm sure this has nothing to do with your religon, caste etc. I am dead sure the authorities would have taken this action if this ( a large knife and such reading material) was found in any other students possesion in the college campus. Please do not make this into something which it is not, what you say is just in bad taste and is twisted mentality.

Regards
Moin.

[Rajat]

I'm sure this has nothing to do with your religon, caste etc. I am dead sure the authorities would have taken this action if this ( a large knife and such reading material) was found in any other students possesion in the college campus. Please do not make this into something which it is not, what you say is just in bad taste and is twisted mentality.

Regards
Moin.

I agree.

Taha, I hope this is the end of this discussion and we do not discuss this matter further and particularly in this direction.

[Yaj]

It is sunnah (supplimentary) to have a sword in Islam for sure .But it is not obligatory,neither can someone stop anyone from practising this sunnah,just to explain further it is obligatory to to pray 5 times a day for men and women,but it is sunnah to cover the head for men and obligatory for women.

Hi Taha; I am quoting this from a forum which has some comments inappropriate in general not only to this forum and therefore not posting the link. I spent two years working in Saudi Arabia, the birth place of Islam. Where I worked was an hours drive away from Mecca the holiest moslem site on earth. I never saw anyone an arab or otherwise carry a sword or swords for sale openly in either Jeddah, Riyad or Dammam.
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"Allah Tala says numerous time in the quran - follow the book of Allah and the hikmah (wisdom)......The wisdom usually is referring to the sunnah.

Wisdom, just means, acting in the best possible manner in a given situation and circumstances - this is what the sunnah means - The prophet (saw) practiced the book of Allah Tala and acted in the best possible and most appropriate manner in each and every situation.

That is why for each off the prophet (saw) action we should look at the wisdom of his actions...and ask ourselves how would and what way, would have the prophet (saw) acted - in the situation, circumstances and location we find ourselves in the 21st century.

So in this case, would it be sunnah, to carry a sword in one hand and a mobile on the other hand whilst walking down ones street - would this be the action off the prophet (saw)....

Every muslim is an ambassador to the prophet (saw) - one should act with wisdom - which is sunnah....in each and every situation - saying you found a hadith in book XYZ - means nothing, until it is examined and bought to life and used in a manner which befitting to the prophet (saw) - this is true love for the messenger of Allah Tala"
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Please do not use Sunnah as an argument nor misconsture the true intent of Sunnah to suit your purpose.

I've read in some other post where you happily carried such a large knife on person to get teh correct tool to get the handle fixed. Please do not repeat this stunt or try and keep such blades on campus. Please listen to what members have to say and exercise caution and common sense.

P.S: What you have is replica of a large knife custom made for a film. This does not qualify for a sword.

Best Regards
Moin.

Bravo Moin!
Regards,
Yaj.

[taha_mys]

A "Rambo knife" is not a sword.In India,the law only grants exemption to the sikhs for carrying a kirpan and the gurkhas for carrying a khukhri.However,even in their case,keeping a kirpan/khukhri in a college hostel will lead to unpleasant consequences.Citing religious texts to justify stupidity will not get you anywhere.I think you should add the Arms Act and Rules and the Cr.P.C to your reading.Might come in handy

Are you a foreigner since you say "...Indian university I am in"? That they have taken away your laptop and mobile seems to indicate that there is more to it than what you are telling us.

Isnt it wiser to write that I am in an Indian University than to just write university ( which could be anywhere in the world ) or India which clarifies the context of the post.,wont it be stupid if wrote I was in India since the this portal is for India ,Indians ,but to add to your information it is also accessed by foreigners.

[kalashnikovcult]

I have already apologized to and co-operated with the college authories in a good understanding of xenophobia ,sterotyping and islamophobia and let them check my transactions ,videos(Included aljazeera & jouneyman pictures reports which are alledged to be inflammatory) and personal stuff including family photos.I realise on the basis of the situation they have the right to do so and have have taken my laptop ,cell phone ,and I also was asked to submit few books that I read other than for academic purposes,the books were ,Militancy In Jammu and Kashmir by Luv Puri,India-Russia Partnership on Kashmir & chechnya by Deobidutta ,English Translation of the Quran ,Riyadus Sauliheen(a hadith book) .Even my pendrive which is in a shape of a small dummy grenade.
They later returned me the Quran ,hadith book,and the pendrive ,but kept all other things that I gave them.
I completely agree to their actions since I understand the sitiuation,and I am educated about Islamophobia ,and its range .
I feel I should write an unconditional apology letter claiming it was an honest and innnocent mistake tommorow .
Moreover they have called my parents all the way to my university who will have to meet the concerned university authorities.
I only pray that they wont ruin my career by rusticating me from the university.I feel demoralized ,alienated,demonized and decredited.Cant focus on studies ,make calls,and using a friends laptop to post.

P.S I am a proponent of Kashmir being an integral part of the Indian Union,or muslim lands being part of the republics they have formed a part of .

Taha, you mention xenophobia. May I ask are you an india citizen ? I'm almost 33 now and being a Muslim, I for a fact have never experienced any form of discrimination either in school, college or in my professional life. In our country there is equal opportunity for all to succeed, I know enough of very successfull muslim bankers, doctors, engineers etc.

I'm sure this has nothing to do with your religon, caste etc. I am dead sure the authorities would have taken this action if this ( a large knife and such reading material) was found in any other students possesion in the college campus. Please do not make this into something which it is not, what you say is just in bad taste and is twisted mentality.

Regards
Moin.

Moin bhai Subhaan Allah ! Taha - throw all the negativity from your brain , go by the law and stay fit and fine ...the muslims of india or any other religion followers are of indian origin and everyone gets his right, the jews and parsis who settled here centuries back too feel home here. ..if u stay according to what laws say u can be stress free anywhere in the world . rather than blaming them think of the actions you did.

if students go on arming themselves without anyone to stop them we will be a country which like USA will witness massacres in school.

Gun laws are strict but a law free country has its other sides too.

[Hammerhead]

if students go on arming themselves without anyone to stop them we will be a country which like USA will witness massacres in school.

Where is my face palm em-icon .

[taha_mys]

I have already apologized to and co-operated with the college authories in a good understanding of xenophobia ,sterotyping and islamophobia and let them check my transactions ,videos(Included aljazeera & jouneyman pictures reports which are alledged to be inflammatory) and personal stuff including family photos.I realise on the basis of the situation they have the right to do so and have have taken my laptop ,cell phone ,and I also was asked to submit few books that I read other than for academic purposes,the books were ,Militancy In Jammu and Kashmir by Luv Puri,India-Russia Partnership on Kashmir & chechnya by Deobidutta ,English Translation of the Quran ,Riyadus Sauliheen(a hadith book) .Even my pendrive which is in a shape of a small dummy grenade.
They later returned me the Quran ,hadith book,and the pendrive ,but kept all other things that I gave them.
I completely agree to their actions since I understand the sitiuation,and I am educated about Islamophobia ,and its range .
I feel I should write an unconditional apology letter claiming it was an honest and innnocent mistake tommorow .
Moreover they have called my parents all the way to my university who will have to meet the concerned university authorities.
I only pray that they wont ruin my career by rusticating me from the university.I feel demoralized ,alienated,demonized and decredited.Cant focus on studies ,make calls,and using a friends laptop to post.

P.S I am a proponent of Kashmir being an integral part of the Indian Union,or muslim lands being part of the republics they have formed a part of .

Taha, you mention xenophobia. May I ask are you an india citizen ? I'm almost 33 now and being a Muslim, I for a fact have never experienced any form of discrimination either in school, college or in my professional life. In our country there is equal opportunity for all to succeed, I know enough of very successfull muslim bankers, doctors, engineers etc.

I'm sure this has nothing to do with your religon, caste etc. I am dead sure the authorities would have taken this action if this ( a large knife and such reading material) was found in any other students possesion in the college campus. Please do not make this into something which it is not, what you say is just in bad taste and is twisted mentality.

Regards
Moin.

Kashmiris surely face a bit of partiality ,comeon we know it .I have been called a "terrorist" by atleast 6 people by now here in this university ,coz of the way I carry my self(practicing islam).Please note that I am not trying to twist anyones mind,I repeat again that this is because of sterotyping phenomenon ,anyone who is wise should agree that we live in a society where in practicing - muslims like who wear a kufi (head cap),sport a beard or dont zero-shave ,pray,do charity, are " identifiable potential terrorists".I dont have any of these identities where in I could be recognized as a Practicing muslim.But is my thoughts and action which seems to have some problem towards mordern society.

[OverUnderPump]

if students go on arming themselves without anyone to stop them we will be a country which like USA will witness massacres in school.

Are you serious, don't tell me you just wrote that. I really don't know how you came to this conclusion.
I am at a loss, sad day indeed mate. It's the last thing I would have expected from a fellow forum member.

regards

OUP

[ak27]

if students go on arming themselves without anyone to stop them we will be a country which like USA will witness massacres in school.

Are you serious, don't tell me you just wrote that. I really don't know how you came to this conclusion.
I am at a loss, sad day indeed mate. It's the last thing I would have expected from a fellow forum member.

regards

OUP

i just don't get who was getting armed here! Like Mr.Mark has already pointed out:

If you start doing that now, perhaps your children will not be in the unenviable position of fearing for their future simply because they bought a neat looking toy they saw in a movie.

All Mr.Taha did was to get himself a neat looking toy and his only gross mistake, IMHO was to neglect the law of the land and also the law of the university in the process of acquiring and possessing it to which he is already paying. I do not see any reason for heavy words such as 'students arming themselves' here in this context.

P.S.: Please correct me if i have understood your words the wrong way!

[Mark]

Gentlemen, I do not think it appropriate to lock this thread but now it is at the point where it will be serving no purpose except to raise blood pressures of people who are supposed to be in the same group.

If anyone has helpful advice on how Taha can get his stuff back and not get arrested or expelled please post but let us all please leave Kashimir, the Quran, Caste, and anything else that is off topic out of this.

Thanks all!

Mark

[ak27]

ha,ha...
i was just about to write a post appealing to you to lock the thread!
in fact, i think you should do it right now.
if someone's got a solution to taha's problem, there is always the 'PM' utility, considering that such a solution need not stay on the forum as the problem itself is quite unique and less likely to re-appear in any one's life!

after all, brawling is the basic instinct of all men!!

best regards