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Kalahari tribals hunting

Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 12:07 am
by conty1
The oldest hunting technique from before human invented the hunting tools. The technique includes both the following of tracks from the prey and a spiritual ancient shamanistic skill of connecting with the soul of the animal to visualize which way it ran. The hunting includes no weapons except a symbolic tool, the skill is to run the prey down until it collapses. It's a fair game, a match of two beings only using their legs. At last when the prey is about to release its soul, the hunter collaborates his own soul with the soul of the animal and he stays with it to the last moment and comforts it, making sure it returns safely to its source again so it can reincarnate, keeping the circle of life complete.


Re: Kalahari tribals hunting

Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 3:59 am
by mehulkamdar
Gentlemen,

The Bushmen use a herb called Hoodia whose effects have been researched at universities in the USA and the UK and found to be very advantageous in reducing the appetite and making sure that the food that is digested is used more efficiently by the body. They have been given a patent of some kind for this ancient knowledge and there have been strict attempts by the governments of South Africa, Namibia etc to safeguard their Hoodia plants and prevent them from being stolen and grown elsewhere.

We do get tablets labelled "Hoodia" in the US and probably elsewhere but there is virtually no control over these herbal supplements and I have no idea whether what is sold here actually contains any Hoodia at all.

Cheers!

Re: Kalahari tribals hunting

Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:52 am
by Pran
Good find Conty.

Pran

Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 1:10 pm
by dev
Nice one I remember seeing this on NGC. I was really amazed at the endurance that a human being could have. But I was still not feeling to good about the death of the beautiful kudu. Yet, this hunt was the fairest way to do it...imho please don't tar and feather me for saying so. ;-)

Dev
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Danish
Thanks Danish,

But isn't it amazing how a human being can endure such a long and harsh ordeal and an animal can't?

Most of us would think otherwise!

- Amit

Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 5:10 pm
by Vikram
Conty, An absolutely amazing video.Thanks for the find.Probably the fairest of chase and the inherent respect for the quarry.

Best-
Vikram

Re: Kalahari tribals hunting

Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:34 am
by Grumpy
It`s easy to forget that in terms of endurance Man is superior to most other animals and has the advantage of intelligence which allows for pre-planning in the carrying of trail foods and the knowledge of what the chase is in aid of - the prey animal has little time to replenish energy by eating and just knows that it is being relentlessly pursued. The psychological aspect of pursuit should not be minimalised.
It`s a fact that man has greater endurance than - for example - a horse. If you want to travel a short distance in a hurry you ride a horse. If you want to travel a long distance you use Shanks pony - your feet. On good ground a fit man can travel over 60 miles a day on foot - no horse is capable of such distances. The definition of `fit` of course is something that very few of us can claim nowadays.........personally I rate as distinctly fat rather than fit !
Shamanism of one form or another is a known aspect of hunter/gatherer society and especially hunting. Many of the indigenous North American tribes sought the permission of the prey animal prior to hunting it or apologised to the animal after the hunt. It indicates respect for both the prey and for the environment in which the hunter - and prey - hunts and lives.

Re: Kalahari tribals hunting

Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:17 am
by Sujay
It`s easy to forget that in terms of endurance Man is superior to most other animals and has the advantage of intelligence .............. The psychological aspect of pursuit should not be minimalised.

This is an eye opener ! Certainly never contemplated this.


It`s a fact that man has greater endurance than - for example - a horse. ......... On good ground a fit man can travel over 60 miles a day on foot - no horse is capable of such distances.

John,

When you say the horse can't make 60 miles a day ; do you mean a "running" horse can't make it ? Or are you telling that a horse cannot even "stroll" 60 miles while a human can ?

Re: Kalahari tribals hunting

Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 8:40 am
by Grumpy
You`ll find that a horse walks little faster than a man - a man can average 4-5 mph for 12-15 hours. A horse will walk at around 5-6 mph for 8 hours. If you need to cover distance you can have a horse walk a mile, trot a mile but you will be hard pressed to get a horse to last 8 hours at such a pace. Don`t make the mistake of thinking that a racehorses can duplicate racing performance for hour after hour......or even for AN hour - and a racehorse won`t run at all for days after racing. For sheer hardiness and endurance certain pony breeds will easily outperform a horse - the so-called Mongol horse, the Exmoor and certain others all have greater endurance than a horse.
A man can eat and drink as he walks - a horse can eat a little whilst walking but needs time to graze adequately and to drink. Deny a horse adequate grazing/eating time and you restrict the amount that it can travel.

Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:22 am
by sa_ali
excellent video, good hunt bro

Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:07 pm
by marksman
WALK SOFTLY ON EARTH IN THE SPRING....
MOTHER NATURE IS PREGNANT.

(OLD NATIVE AMERICAN INDIAN SAYING)
Marksman

Re: Kalahari tribals hunting

Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:19 pm
by Sujay
Thanks..John.

Re: Kalahari tribals hunting

Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 3:11 am
by mehulkamdar
Grumpy,

Isn't it a tradition in Nordic countries for hunters to clip a leaf or a twig from a tree after an animal is shot and place it in the animal's mouth and thank St Hubertus for the kill?

I also remember a post on the NE forums a long time ago when one of the members' son took his first game animal at 10 - a moose, I think, and he was "initiated" into the fold of hunters by the other members of the hunting party dipping their fingers in the moose's blood and applying it on his forehead. This was in Sweden IIRC.

Re: Kalahari tribals hunting

Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 3:33 am
by Grumpy
I don`t know about St. Hubertus but `blooding` initiates to a form of hunting is quite common - including Fox hunting in the UK. There was an almighty stink here several years ago when one of Prince Charles sons was blooded after a successful hunt when riding to hounds.

Re: Kalahari tribals hunting

Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:19 am
by huntergill
Kalahari Bushmen hunting without arrows is unheard of.Game(ungulates) for food consumption were shot with those tiny and lethal arrows, pasted with desired dose of acokanthera, followed patiently, until it falls down for final coup de grace.Kudu in this epsode fell down , sat there calmly with glazed look, not even breathing hard.Looks like exhaustion is not from being followed hard and relentlessly, but weakness from poison.Attenborrough, being a showman is concealing that fact,whats your thoughts on this.

Re: Kalahari tribals hunting

Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:28 pm
by Grumpy
I saw this programme when it was first broadcast, have seen another TV programme on the same subject and have read about such hunting more than once. It is genuine and accurate.
David Attenborough is a showman ? Not much of one. Part of his appeal is his lack of showmanship and the factual accuracy of the programmes he makes. People trust Attenborough to tell the truth - his integrity is something that he doesn`t compromise. Steve Irwin was a showman......part of the reason he was so detested by professional zoologists and many others.