Indians For Guns

This years deer hunt (shotgun) season started this week. On Monday I headed out to the field and got setup by 4:00pm. About an hour later a buck came up behind me. I could hear him but could not turn and shoot without spooking him. He moved over to an apple tree about 20 yards behind me and started eating the apples that had fallen on the ground. I slowly turned and could see him thru the bush but the bush was too thick to shoot. He moved away after some time without giving me a chance to shoot. Sat there till end of shooting time but nothing showed up. Went out again on Tuesday but did not see anything.

On Wed I got setup again by 4:00 pm at a different spot on the edge of a cut corn field. Had a decoy setup around 50 yards from me. It started to rain after about an hour later but I continued to sit. Around 6:15pm, half an hour before end of shooting time a doe came out and started feeding on the corn about 75 yards from me and gave me a shot. As this was a meat hunt and I was not particular about getting a buck, I took the shot.I was using a H&R Ultra Slugger scoped slug gun with Hornady slugs.





Herb

Congratulations,Herb. Nice shot and a very nice looking doe in good fettle.Must make good eating.What are you planing to do with it? Just freeze it or some charcuterie/sausages too?

What slugs do you use in the slugger? I only read good things bout them.

Best-
Vikram

nice one, a bit of a let down with the camoes and hi vi vest eh

nagarifle wrote:nice one, a bit of a let down with the camoes and hi vi vest eh

Deer are color blind (at least the red-green range) . Camo helps to break the profile in the bush, blaze orange provides hunter safety. The vest is hi vi to humans but not to the deer.

-- Sun Nov 07, 2010 8:33 --

Vikram wrote:What are you planing to do with it? Just freeze it or some charcuterie/sausages too?

What slugs do you use in the slugger? I only read good things bout them.

Best-
Vikram

Some mince and rest stew pieces. I used Hornady SST slugs.

Herb

herb wrote:

nagarifle wrote:nice one, a bit of a let down with the camoes and hi vi vest eh

Deer are color blind (at least the red-green range) . Camo helps to break the profile in the bush, blaze orange provides hunter safety. The vest is hi vi to humans but not to the deer.Herb

agree that deer are blind, thats why we can shoot them in our birthday suit and they will not see the colur of our skins. As you are aware that deer have a high sense of smell and hearing, they react to movements so next time i might wear purple tights and go hunting.

but the camo does not help to break the profile at all. and thats a fact, como is blending in with the nature, proflie is the shape of the body. unless you have foliage sticking out of your ears then the profile remains.

nagarifle wrote:

herb wrote:

nagarifle wrote:nice one, a bit of a let down with the camoes and hi vi vest eh

Deer are color blind (at least the red-green range) . Camo helps to break the profile in the bush, blaze orange provides hunter safety. The vest is hi vi to humans but not to the deer.Herb

agree that deer are blind, thats why we can shoot them in our birthday suit and they will not see the colur of our skins. As you are aware that deer have a high sense of smell and hearing, they react to movements so next time i might wear purple tights and go hunting.

but the camo does not help to break the profile at all. and thats a fact, como is blending in with the nature, proflie is the shape of the body. unless you have foliage sticking out of your ears then the profile remains.

Blending in with nature is the end result, breaking up the profile is one of the ways how it is done. I am assuming Mossy Oak one of the world leaders in Camo clothing know more about camo than us.

"Each element in Break-Up Infinity - leaves, limbs, acorns and branches - was selected to create realism and contrast to break up a hunter's silhouette."
Read more: http://www.petersenshunting.com/content ... z14Z76b7DL

First of all, let me congratulate you, Herb, on that very tasty freezer filler. There is nothing like a young doe for good eating.

Some comments regarding the use of camo and blaze orange for deer hunting:
The whole purpose of wearing camo while hunting is precisely to break up your profile when you are surrounded with foliage or brush. Obviously, standing in the middle of an empty field wearing camo won't do much to break up your profile. Most hunters in this neck of the woods wear camo while deer hunting. Some people wear camo with "blaze orange" as the predominant color and that seems to work for deer hunting too (but makes you highly conspicuous to humans). Most irregular patterns will break up your profile when you are surrounded by similar irregular patterns.

A quote from a study conducted by the University of Georgia:

The research also verified that "Deer are much less sensitive to longer wavelengths than humans". This means that if a blaze orange vest had no brightener dyes and was purely 605 nm blaze orange, the deer would not see it nearly as well as we do. They lack our red cone completely. Their green cone peaks at 537 nm, almost 70 nm away and pigment sensitivity curves drop steeply on the long side. Dramatic as this difference in sensitivity is it is only part of the story. Remember the third finding of this study.

"White-tailed deer would be expected to have dichromatic color vision". Human dichromats called protanopes also lack the red cone function. A human with one dichromatic eye (blue/green cones) and one trichromatic eye (blue/green/red cones) can tell us the difference in color perception. They see blue as blue and the rest of the spectrum from green to red as the color yellow, with their dichromatic eye. Therefore, if blaze orange or most green/brown camouflage is without brightener effect, it is all yellow. It will all blend in well in a world of green leaves, yellow grass, and brown trees, because they too are all yellow.

http://home.comcast.net/~gefferts/deervis.htm

Camo patterns are not the whole answer but they do help. Since deer can detect movement easily and have a sharp sense of smell and good hearing, kudos to Herb for doing many things right to be able to bag that deer. However, Naga, wearing purple tights might not be a good idea:

However, for these animals, blue, violet and near ultraviolet (which is invisible to us because it is blocked by the lens) stand out from the other colors. The colors of earthly objects are mostly browns, tans, greens and yellows. To an animal with dichromatic color vision, a sportsman wearing garments that strongly reflect short wavelength light would stand out against these backgrounds like a ripe red tomato on a green vine.

http://home.comcast.net/~gefferts/deervis.htm

More reading: Basically a reiteration of the same study but explained in laymans terms.
http://www.qdma.com/what-we-do/articles ... -deer-see/

I have no idea what Canada's game laws are like but as far as deer hunting in the US goes, most states mandate the wearing of a blaze orange garment that covers at least 50% of your upper body. You don't have a choice, you have wear some percentage of Blaze Orange if you want to hunt legally.

profile - an outline of something = shape. silhouette =shape.

as the mossy oak says" Each element in Break-Up Infinity - leaves, limbs, acorns and branches - was selected to create realism and contrast to break up a hunter's silhouette. Then they were placed over multiple layers of actual images from the woods to create a multi-dimensional depth of field unlike any camouflage ever created."
go to http://www.mossyoak.com/ you will see a guy up a tree, he is somewhat bladed in with the background but the shape or the body outline is well defined. there is another pic in the water with the como gear on and they are very well defined not even blended in.(now if they were wearing water como who knows}

so what is como?

"When camouflaging yourself, consider that certain shapes are particular to humans. The enemy will look for these shapes. The shape of a hat, helmet, or black boots can give you away. Even animals know and run from the shape of a human silhouette. Break up your outline by placing small amounts of vegetation from the surrounding area in your uniform, equipment, and headgear. Try to reduce any shine from skin or equipment. Blend in with the surrounding colors and simulate the texture of your surroundings."

like i said a como jecket does not conceal profile.(shape) not unless folloege is sticking out of the ears

the 64 million $ question is would a sniper just wear the clothing ie jacket and pants, mossy oak or others with out sticking some other vegetation etc to break up the shape?

sorry not putting or attacking any one, just defending the Queens Instructors on camo

i think i will change from purple to pink como or might go natural. hope i am still invited to deer burgers?

Thanks xl_target for the links and information. I am glad we agree. The game laws in Canada also mandate the use of hunter orange.

ngarfile -

You are able to make out the outline in the pictures on the mossy oak site is because the colors you see is very different from how deer see. It may apply to black bears to some extent as they see in color.

I don't want get into the discussion of Army camo as that is an entirely different topic because vision & technology of humans to detect a threat is very different from that of deer. You keep referring to foliage sticking out of ears and "enemy", I assume you have an army background or love the old WW1 & 2 movies.

e.g. blue camo works for hunting but will be a poor choice for military applications... and a quote from the site "As with most modern camouflage materials available today, the profile of the hunter is scattered against the natural background"
http://www.safetycamo.com/index.html
http://www.squidoo.com/camo-hunting-clothes

The purpose of a discussion is to learn, so there is no question of attacking, no offense taken.

You are always welcome to deer burgers. The pleasure will be mine.

[quote="herb"]Thanks xl_target for the links and information. I am glad we agree. The game laws in Canada also mandate the use of hunter orange.

Hi, Herb nice dow you got there , about orange vest we are not useing in BC.

Baljit

Baljit wrote:

herb wrote:Thanks xl_target for the links and information. I am glad we agree. The game laws in Canada also mandate the use of hunter orange.

Hi, Herb nice dow you got there , about orange vest we are not useing in BC.

Baljit

Hi Baljit,

Are you not required to use hunter orange when hunting on the ground during gun season? In Ontario we are required by law to wear orange during gun season with some exceptions.

I should have said Ontario instead of Canada in my reply to xl_target. My apologies.

Herb

Camo patterns are not the whole answer but they do help. Since deer can detect movement easily and have a sharp sense of smell and good hearing, kudos to Herb for doing many things right to be able to bag that deer. However, Naga, wearing purple tights might not be a good idea:
However, for these animals, blue, violet and near ultraviolet (which is invisible to us because it is blocked by the lens) stand out from the other colors. The colors of earthly objects are mostly browns, tans, greens and yellows. To an animal with dichromatic color vision, a sportsman wearing garments that strongly reflect short wavelength light would stand out against these backgrounds like a ripe red tomato on a green vine.

Wearing blue/purple isnt a good idea for a deer hunt.

I remember seeing a pic of a hunter in deer vision. The blue jeans was like hi-vi. almost shining.

Remember levis and deer hunting dont mix unless you are in a western

shooter wrote:Wearing blue/purple isnt a good idea for a deer hunt.

I remember seeing a pic of a hunter in deer vision. The blue jeans was like hi-vi. almost shining.

Remember levis and deer hunting dont mix unless you are in a western

Wonder what these folks were wearing?

http://tinyurl.com/39hvt6m


Best-
Vikram

herb wrote:

Baljit wrote:

herb wrote:Thanks xl_target for the links and information. I am glad we agree. The game laws in Canada also mandate the use of hunter orange.

Hi, Herb nice dow you got there , about orange vest we are not useing in BC.

Baljit

Hi Baljit,

Are you not required to use hunter orange when hunting on the ground during gun season? In Ontario we are required by law to wear orange during gun season with some exceptions.

I should have said Ontario instead of Canada in my reply to xl_target. My apologies.

Herb

Hi Herb , no not required in gun season in BC

Baljit

Vikram wrote:

shooter wrote:Wearing blue/purple isnt a good idea for a deer hunt.

I remember seeing a pic of a hunter in deer vision. The blue jeans was like hi-vi. almost shining.

Remember levis and deer hunting dont mix unless you are in a western

Wonder what these folks were wearing?

http://tinyurl.com/39hvt6m


Best-
Vikram

Looks like mostly subdued colors. I see a couple of them wearing woolen pants which would be OD or brown. Some cool photos on that page. Look at the predominance of Lever actions in this photo: http://www.wilmingtonhistoricalsociety. ... 1900's.jpg. No blue jeans there either.