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Falconry in INDIA

Post by kanwar76 » Thu Jul 06, 2006 3:12 pm

I was at Pakistan Hunting Community in Orkut and there was a thread regarding Falconry and I think many people in Pakistan are hooked in this sport.

So I was wondering what is the status of Falconry in INDIA. Is any body into this sport or know anybody who is a falconer? Or this sport also met the same fate as Hunting?

Google didn't help much :(

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Post by Sakobav » Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:52 pm

Falconry in India is virtually non existent mainly because of diminishing Falcon population. Mainly due to eroding natural habitat and pollution related complications in eggs of some Falcons in North India.
But Arab Sheiks and Pakistani?s still pursue this sport..

This link has some masters name who teaches falconry in India to tourists

http://www.indianconsultancy.com/wildli ... -trip.html

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Post by eljefe » Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:14 am

Inder,
Have you checked out with PETA? :twisted:

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Post by Sakobav » Fri Jul 07, 2006 6:13 pm

Asif

Aside from PETA shennanigans, its a great thread I was always fascinated by the training and rearing aspect of these birds. Closest I came to this was ducking swooping Kites during lunch break in St John School in Chandigarh.
Any way Its very hard to gather any material. There are falconry clubs in US but it would be great if someone can post some material on this subject.

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Post by Sakobav » Fri Jul 07, 2006 6:35 pm

form http://www.indiaprofile.com/adventure/falconry.htm

Falconry ? A Sport Among Kings

Falcons, the majestic birds or prey have been patronized by royalty for the thrill of sport and to add splendour to the cour. The sport of falconry which spread throughout the world was especially popular with the Indian nobility.

Falconry, a sport among kings, princes and nobles started way back in 2000 B.C. in China. It started not as a sport but simply out of a necessity for food. From China it spread to Japan, India, Persia, Arabia, Turkey and finally to Europe. By 700 A.D. falconry was well established as a sport. By the middle of the 18th century there were hawking clubs all over Europe. Many tapestries and paintings all over the world depict battle scenes of kings and nobles with their favourite falcons as falconry was also a form of relaxation during long battles. King Richard, Coeur de Lion, took his hawks with him to the crusades. The kings Frederick Ii and Henry VIII of England and the Emperor Napoleon were all keen followers of this magnificent sport. Among the ladies, Mary Queen of Scots loved to be out hawking and Empress Catherine of Russia had her favourite falcon, Merlin.

The Mughals in India were also keen falconers. The sparrow hawk was the favourite of Emperor Akbar. He often used these remarkable birds for hunting. They also added splendour to his court. For them many mansabdars ( commanders), ahadis (single man) and other soldiers were employed. The birds were fed twice a day and towards the close of each day they were fed on sparrows of which the baz, jurrah and bahri got seven each.

Man?s special favourite, the falcon possesses several unique characteristics and exhibits qualities of individuality and royal personage so desirable to man. Falcons are birds of open country, solitary in habit and prefer to fly freely scouring the countryside with their acute sight and pausing in their majestic flight to stoop down at a hundred miled an hour on their unsuspecting prey.

The peregrine falcon, the finest bird for training in India, migrates along the east coast of Bhavnagar in Gujarat on the boarder of the Gulf of Cambay. It is an aggressive and fearless bird, a superb flier with complete and easy mastery of the air. The peregrine is also known as the duck hawk and is found throughout the world. There are about 18 different species described from different areas. They are medium sized falcons with short tails, sharply pointed long wings and stocky bodies. These birds are able to lift heavy prey as their primary wing feathers are long and slender facilitating speed in flight, the inner secondary are broad and can give tremendous amount of strength. The adult male has a blue grey back and the head is a dark flush slate. The area around the eyes is black and the upper breast is white or buff with black spots and the rest of the under part is dark. The tail is grey, blackish towards the end, tipped with white and heavily barred.




When hunting it is the fastest bird on earth both in stopping or straight pursuit. It can kill its prey in midair with its long hind killing toe. Often the impact of landing itself renders the prey immobile as while stooping the peregrine reaches a speed of 150 to 200 miles per hour. This is one or the reason why a peregrine can kill prey twice as heavy as itself like teal, partridge, grouse. Other falcons found in Bhavnagar are the desert falcon known as the lugger and goshawk or baz which can be trained very successfully.

In Bhavnagar the royal family continued to cherish the sport of hawking till the 40s. the late Maharaja, Shri Krishna Kumar Singh?s two brothers, Maharaja Nirmal Kumar Singh and Maharaja Dharam Kumar Singh were very enthusiastic sportsmen. They each had their own trainers and falcons. The falcons were caught on the coast of Bhavnagar or brought from Punjab. According to Maharaja Nirmal Kumar Singh, it is customary for these falcons to hunt in pairs. Regarding capturing and training of these wild birds, he says a decoy is fastened on an upright net and on seeing the decoy, the falcon stoops down to catch its prey and gets hopelessly entangled. Falcons were caught and kept for just one season and then set free.

After it is caught the falcon is securely bound in a handkerchief and its eyes are sealed. This id done by slipping a needle through the lower edge of the eyelid and putting the thread over the head. Apparently the falcon shows no sign of pain. In this manner the eastern falconers seal the eyes of their hunting birds. This keeps them quiet for the rest of the training days and prevents them from becoming excited and scared. The bird also gets used to the human voice and touch. Maharaja Nirmal Kumar also added that buying a hawk is like buying a horse. The colour phases, marking, shape, size of beak and middle toe, spirit, age and weight are a few points worth considering Indian falconers would never buy a falcon whose eyes were not sealed. Sealed eyes were an indication that the hawks had not been tramed.

Asked about the training of these birds, he says the new hawk never leaves the gloved hand of its trainer for four to five days. Day and night they are handled carefully by speaking to them softly and stroking them gently and constantly for only then can these wild birds be trained.

As soon as the hawks lose their fear and become docile, their eyes are unsealed and the training days begin. The trained swings a lure at the end of a short stick and the falcon stoops but the bait is jerked away before the bird can strike. After 40 to 50 attempts the falcon is permitted to strike and bring the lure down to the ground. It is indeed a wonderful sight to see these hawks starting to respond to their trainers. After this lesson the birds are hooded and well fed. Before a contest or a hunt the birds are given secret Indian drugs to stimulate them to have the utmost powers of speed, courage and endurance. Falcons, being good hunters with keen eyesight, can bring down big birds like ibis, cranes, big heron and among animals, hares. When the game rises, the falconer throws the hawk to catch its prey just like an athlete hurls a goal forward. But vigorous training is absolutely necessary to teach the little fighters how to chase such a quarry. In game hunting, pointers and setters are used and not until the game is found is the falcon unhooded.

Sometimes it is interesting to observe how an old hoody crow tries to outwit a falcon. The crow will try its best to get cover under bushes, ledges or anything in sight but if it is unfortunately on open ground the quarry must then try to beat the felcon in the air and keep above her. Once he does this he tries above her. Once he does this he tries to stoop downwards to take cover twisting and turning. This is a dramatic and exciting sight with the crow not always being the lucky one.

In India falcons and hawks constitute two thirds of all species of birds or prey. The uncommon goshawks and the perennial favourite, the peregrine span the Indian sub-continent.

However, the sport of falcony has been fast losing popularity not only due to the expenses involved but also due to wide criticism and an increasing awareness of preserving nature and wildlife. There has been a dwindling of the species. In fact the king of falcons, the bullet-headed, steel grey peregrine became almost extinct due to excess DDT in the environment causing the bird to lay eggs with fragile shells leading to greater prehatch mortality. However, people were quick to champion this much loves bird and save it from imminent peril.

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Post by Sakobav » Fri Jul 07, 2006 6:43 pm

here is another good link

http://www.peregrinefund.org/american_falconry.asp.. There is a National Geographic article on Kathiawar princes who were into Falconry and using cheetahs for hunts

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Post by kanwar76 » Fri Jul 07, 2006 7:27 pm

eljefe wrote:Inder,
Have you checked out with PETA? :twisted:

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These Bu$$ers have nothing better to do. They will meddle with each and everything, which involves animals. I don't have rights to pass judgment but from all the info I saw on net I think it?s a great art to train birds of prey. I read somewhere that falconry is banned in INDIA. In my opinion they should have regulated it if there was any problem, banning is not a solution for anything.

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Post by kanwar76 » Fri Jul 07, 2006 7:28 pm

Nice read Navdeep,

Feels good to find someone with same interests.. :)

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Post by mehulkamdar » Fri Jul 07, 2006 7:56 pm

Friends,

Falconry is banned in many countries because some years ago the numbers of birds of prey were reduced greatly because of DDT use in agriculture. That said, the numbers of these birds are making a comeback and licensed falconry is allowed in several countries in Europe as well as in North America these days. I know for a fact that some of the wealthier families in Gujarat, especially in the desert areas have alwyas owned falcons as have some of the tribals there. Perhaps, there have been exceptions for them as there are for tribals in several parts of the country.

My father was involved in a different bird sport, pigeon racing, and we used to have a huge dovecote in my grandparents' home when I was a boy. The house was torn down and a multi storey building put up on the site - I saw the sad deterioration of the old ways of life growing up as a boy in India. If the PETA idiots are allowed to have say, many things would be banned - they started a campaign some years ago to ban riding horses saying that horses didn't like being ridden. Well, my family had a horse as a boy and though I did not really learn to ride well, I remember how happy he would be when his saddle was put on him and he was ready to go. Friends who have several horses in North America tell me much the same - I do know something about animals and I can recognise when they are happy. I also know that in South Carolina, about a year ago, six PETA shelter owners were jailed to varying lengths of time for killing hundreds of pups that were given to them for being put up for adoption. Not only did they not even try to find homes for them, they put them down in many cases minutes after those who brought them into the shelters left. Together, PETA and British charities like the RSPCA kill more animals around trhe world than hunters ever could - the less we talk about the dog butchers, the better.

My last post on this - I did not want to go OT but this is a fact that you can use if ever a PETA clown comes up against you - please ask them what they spend the huge funds that they get on. The answer is simple - 97% of the money PETA gets is spent on propaganda campaigns. Yes, the remaining 3% is spent on animals, but I have no idea how much of it goes towards killing them.

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Post by sat » Sat Jul 08, 2006 10:57 am

I visited Bhavnagar in the late 90's and met the old bhavnagar state raptor trainer. He is featured in the John J. Craighead and Frank C. Craighead, Jr. film which was shot in the 40's. The old man is considered by many as the only person who is a expert on the Indian style of training raptors. Old man claims he can train a wild bird in a fortnight. Soon after I met the old man I am told he got into trouble with the forest dept, he was seen riding around Bhavnagar on a cycle with a peregrine..

There are some people I know of who are interested in the sport of falconry. Two of them now live in the middle east, one of them has made it his profession and is looking after a sheiks collection of falcons.
My uncle trained falcons in the good old days, one of his friends, now a retired IG of police had a keen interest in falconry..


http://www.peregrinefund.org/indian_prince.asp

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Post by Sakobav » Sat Jul 08, 2006 7:17 pm

I was in Boise ID for a while and its hunters paradise for exmaple Chukkar hun, etc fishing in Snake river etc. I wish I knew about the peregrine org office then. Would have paid a visit and met these folks. Some one needs to document and maintain such art of training.

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Post by sat » Sun Jul 09, 2006 11:55 am

Lovely image of lady with her bald eagle...

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Post by Vikram » Sun Jul 09, 2006 7:36 pm

Navdeep,
they are excellent reads.Thanks for posting them.


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Nice Image Sat

Post by kanwar76 » Sun Jul 09, 2006 8:44 pm

Hi Sat,

Ultimate pic. really would love to have one in poster size.

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Re: Falconry in INDIA

Post by yash3_great » Thu May 31, 2007 4:19 pm

I have heard that the trainer uses various brutal methods to train these birds like keeping them hungry until they do what he wants them to do as well as hurting them physically. Is this true?

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