Hunting Abroad

[shooter]

Interesting point Dear Shooter.If we stop shooting then why are we all here (I.F.G.) and why did "man" create guns in the first place.

bro, im now converting people to non hunters and non shooters for being hopeful of 2 things

1) if the day comes when they auction/open hunting in india, i will benefit due to the lack of competition, i will buy al the blocks.

2) if i can successfully convert most gun owners into non shooters, the price of ammo and arms will come down.

so please join me in saying no to hunting and no to shooting.

[hvj1]

Interesting point Dear Shooter.If we stop shooting then why are we all here (I.F.G.) and why did "man" create guns in the first place.

bro, im now converting people to non hunters and non shooters for being hopeful of 2 things

1) if the day comes when they auction/open hunting in india, i will benefit due to the lack of competition, i will buy al the blocks.

2) if i can successfully convert most gun owners into non shooters, the price of ammo and arms will come down.

so please join me in saying no to hunting and no to shooting.

Please stop posting such things here, I have no sensahuma, and furdermore, nobodylike it here!! Furdermore no laughing andanomore winking eider, you hear!
If you de persist, we senda the fellas with de pointy shoes, brylcreamed hair, pinstriped suits and check out ya feet for de cementishoes. So Mind it I SAY!

[nagarifle]

After all India is a free nation. -

really? could have fooled me. eh bhai free from what? you can not hunt? for one. so how can it be free? for one.

[prashantsingh]

Dear Oggie,
I totally agree with you when you say that a "Hunter protects the ecosystem and fauna far more than any other group" . Great hunters like Jim Corbett (in the North) and Kenneth Anderson (in the South) were amongst India's pioneers in wildlife conservation.
India banned hunting more than two decades ago. With "NO" hunting a common man (specially our friends abroad) would expect our jungles to be full of wildlife. Unfortunately this is not the case. My personal opinion is that a hunter is not a person who kills for fun. On the contrary he protects his hunting grounds.Why does he protect his hunting grounds? Because he loves to be there and also to enable him to hunt longer.I will give you an example. In olden days when Shikar was legal in India , one had to book a "block" within the range . Once you had booked it NO one else was allowed to hunt there. If some one was found roaming around in the area with a weapon it was considered an offence. By legalising hunting ......the poacher was kept at bay. Plus the hunter had his "ethics" to go by . The result ......wildlife flourised.
I was once visiting a forest range with a group of young boys and girls (so called wildlife enthusiasts) . Before we got on to our elephants I had to specifically ask the girls to have a bath and wash their perfumes so that the Bees in the jungle didn't get after them ......and had to request the boys to leave behind their walkmans so that they could listen to the music of the jungle instead. The chirping of the birds , the alarm calls of Cheetal and the buzzing of the insects.
People may excuse me but the Fact is that an old "Shikari" can tell you more about the animals in the wild than a Forest Official (today) can. For the simple reason that while the Shikari is passionate about his "subject" the official looks at it as his "job".

Dear Nagarifle,
We just don't have enough wildlife in our country today to allow hunting. Every animal in our jungle is precious. Hopefully one day their will be so many that the govt. will be in a possition to change the laws. But looking at the present day scenario I have no idea how they will be able to do it.
The largest deer in India ....the Sambhar is not as safe in India as it is in New Zealand or Australia. I was reading somewhere that there are more than 50000 Sambhar in Australia.

[ravi.sharma]

Hi Prashant,

I too don't like Hunting. Killing animals is something i can't stand.

Above all, I am pure Vegetarian

Though, I would like to mention that your views, alongwith the ones of Oggie and others intrested in Hunting, have made me think twice on the Hunting aspect. I use to see Hunting as a cruel sport and used to imagine, how can someone think of Killing an Animal and even dare to ask the Legal right for the same. But the details provided by you on the Hunting aspect and the ethics followed by the Hunters does make a difference and Highlights the points of Conservation, which is the most important aspect in today's Scenario for India but the fact is it is totally ignored. The another good point that has been the highlight of the post, is the difference between a Poacher and Hunter, though many know the difference theoritically, the non-hunters like us will categorize both as One.

Really liked your experience and the Pics, the one I like the most is:

was once visiting a forest range with a group of young boys and girls (so called wildlife enthusiasts) . Before we got on to our elephants I had to specifically ask the girls to have a bath and wash their perfumes so that the Bees in the jungle didn't get after them ......and had to request the boys to leave behind their walkmans so that they could listen to the music of the jungle instead. The chirping of the birds , the alarm calls of Cheetal and the buzzing of the insects.
People may excuse me but the Fact is that an old "Shikari" can tell you more about the animals in the wild than a Forest Official (today) can. For the simple reason that while the Shikari is passionate about his "subject" the official looks at it as his "job".

Please keep this thread alive, with your great experience and Hunting Knowledge, it shall help, people like me ( Who hate Hunting) take wise decision.

Forgot to mention, I am ready to go for a HUNT. Definelty not in India.


Ravi.

[andy_65_in]

I for one am more than keen to see the return of legalised hunting in India.I am sure there are more than enough animal popoulation which can be hunted albeit with proper control and monitoring

[hvj1]

I for one am more than keen to see the return of legalised hunting in India.I am sure there are more than enough animal popoulation which can be hunted albeit with proper control and monitoring

Andy,
1.I can assure you that despite the Pataudi and Salman Khan case, there are hunters, and will always be hunters who will discreetly shoot an animal. Secondly there are tribes, such as the phansi pardhis who can and do make pheasants, thompson's gazelle meat available . The point I wish to make is quite simple, it is comparatively easier to pick up the gun and hunt/poach, (if you know the area well). THAN to take the effort to CONSERVE.
2. I am saying this because, I am turning towards conservation AND it takes one helluva lot of time, money and effort. In short one needs to be passionate enough to be on the edge of lunacy to take on this job full time.
3. So with all due respects to you, if you are that keen to see legal hunting to return to India, then I suggest that you first think about conservation. And if you are that keen, then come and join us in our effort at conservation. We could certainly use your knowledge of the wild. In our life time IF we can achieve the status of conservation that you read on this thread existing abroad, then MAYBE, our children might get to hunt.
Regards

[sa_ali]

if you are that keen to see legal hunting to return to India, then I suggest that you first think about conservation. And if you are that keen, then come and join us in our effort at conservation. We could certainly use your knowledge of the wild. In our life time IF we can achieve the status of conservation that you read on this thread existing abroad, then MAYBE, our children might get to hunt.
Regards

Absolutely true, i agree 100% on this.

[hvj1]

Sa_ali

[shooter]

Secondly there are tribes, such as the phansi pardhis who can and do make pheasants, thompson's gazelle meat available .

Surely you mean partridge and deer or something like that.

The only phesants in india are to my knowledge in the hills and tompsons gazelle, well thats only in Africa.

[kanwar76]

Andy,
1.I can assure you that despite the Pataudi and Salman Khan case, there are hunters, and will always be hunters who will discreetly shoot an animal. Secondly there are tribes, such as the phansi pardhis who can and do make pheasants, thompson's gazelle meat available . The point I wish to make is quite simple, it is comparatively easier to pick up the gun and hunt/poach, (if you know the area well). THAN to take the effort to CONSERVE.
2. I am saying this because, I am turning towards conservation AND it takes one helluva lot of time, money and effort. In short one needs to be passionate enough to be on the edge of lunacy to take on this job full time.
3. So with all due respects to you, if you are that keen to see legal hunting to return to India, then I suggest that you first think about conservation. And if you are that keen, then come and join us in our effort at conservation. We could certainly use your knowledge of the wild. In our life time IF we can achieve the status of conservation that you read on this thread existing abroad, then MAYBE, our children might get to hunt.
Regards

Can you please elaborate on the conservation part? Which species of animals you want to conserve so that they can be hunted on later stage?

Just Asking

-Inder

[hvj1]

Surely you mean partridge and deer or something like that.

The only phesants in india are to my knowledge in the hills and tompsons gazelle, well thats only in Africa

Hi Shooter,
This is what I have seen in Ahmednagar.

Gazella_thomsonii4320041.jpg

And they occur in India as follows;

Gazelle India.jpg

Regarding pheasant, I think you are right, its the partridge, but I have seen someother stuff too.
Will get back to you asap
Regards

[kanwar76]

Surely you mean partridge and deer or something like that.

The only phesants in india are to my knowledge in the hills and tompsons gazelle, well thats only in Africa

Hi Shooter,
This is what I have seen in Ahmednagar.

Gazella_thomsonii4320041.jpg

And they occur in India as follows;

Gazelle India.jpg

Regarding pheasant, I think you are right, its the partridge, but I have seen someother stuff too.
Will get back to you asap
Regards

As shooter said thompson gazelles are found only in Africa. Only gazelle found in INDIA is chinkara and that pic is not of chinkara.

-Inder

[shooter]

I think you are referring to the indian gazelle aka the chinkara. which is found in the mapped area shown above.

Thomsons gazelle is Eudorcas thomsoni. found in africa. Named after Joseph Thomson

Indian gazelle is gazella bunetti.

Think of this. he went to africa in the 1870's and was the first person to describe them and the gazelle was named after him.

British have been in india since sir thomas roe in 1600s. There have been many british accounts of them hunting gazelle much before even Mr. Thomson was born.

Why would the royal society name the gazelle after mr. Thomson if they were present in India?

Both the gazelle look the same but the tommy has the black stripe.
The pic you have posted is tommy. Please cite the source and you'll see the website must be an african one.

As for my argument here is a list of a few websites:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/wildfacts/f ... /644.shtml

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomson's_Gazelle

http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/a ... s/gazelle/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinkara

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People may excuse me but the Fact is that an old "Shikari" can tell you more about the animals in the wild than a Forest Official (today) can. For the simple reason that while the Shikari is passionate about his "subject" the official looks at it as his "job".

HVJ bhai ab to maan jao.

Nothing personal and no not everyone has to have a perfect knowledge of wild life but the fact is that you as a 'conservator' have difficulty between lion and tiger, gaur, bison and buffalo, phesant and partridge, tommy and chinkara, whereas as a 'hunter' we observe them not see them but look at them.

I know that this one example doesnt mean much but since in this post i have sided with u in promoting hunting and shooting ban, i now have to side with to kanwar and prashant et al.

[hvj1]

I think you are referring to the indian gazelle aka the chinkara. which is found in the mapped area shown above.

Thomsons gazelle is Eudorcas thomsoni. found in africa. Named after Joseph Thomson

Indian gazelle is gazella bunetti.


Both the gazelle look the same but the tommy has the black stripe.

The pic you have posted is tommy. Please cite the source and you'll see the website must be an african one.
People may excuse me but the Fact is that an old "Shikari" can tell you more about the animals in the wild than a Forest Official (today) can. For the simple reason that while the Shikari is passionate about his "subject" the official looks at it as his "job".



HVJ bhai ab to maan jao.

Nothing personal and no not everyone has to have a perfect knowledge of wild life but the fact is that you as a 'conservator' have difficulty between lion and tiger, gaur, bison and buffalo, phesant and partridge, tommy and chinkara, whereas as a 'hunter' we observe them not see them but look at them.

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Hey Shooter,
POINT TAKEN mate, by the way, I am just getting into conservation, however, regarding the stripe, I will go and check the buggers out tomorrow.
Regards