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Re: Going fishing with Stevie Wonder tomorrow.

Post by Mack The Knife » Fri Nov 02, 2007 11:16 am

Now for the trip report.

We left my place at 5 a.m. and reached Forbes Sagar at 7:30 a.m.. Bang on schedule!

Fortunately, it hadn't rained for the past three days, so 4WD was not required but it still means that I have to get my chassis washed again.

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Since the head ghillie wasn't around (he had the keys to the coracle and the oar. We have been chaining the coracle to the bank as some miscreants had tried to set it afloat a few months back.), we took our time having our breakfast of chicken sandwiches and tea.

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One reason for this trip was that I was very keen to try my new rod which I had ordered specifically for murral fishing in very weedy areas. It's a 6', 2-piece Temple Fork Outfitter spinning rod. For the time being I have coupled it with a Shimano Symetre 2500 RI loaded with thin 20lb Mustad mono. I have never tried this line before and was keen to see how it would perform. Incidentally, the line was bought from Olympic Sports on Double Road but this was the only spool. If interested, the Bangalore boys can ask for it at their other two outlets. It may just be available.

Pran was using a Rowen murral rod and a Shakespeare reel loaded with 20 lb line. BTW, the reason for the 20lb line was that we wanted to try for medium sized mahseer later in the day.

By 8:15 or so we were on the water and soon after a murral took the frog lure but spat it out promptly. This was repeated again after a few casts but on the third take the fish was not so lucky and it was promptly earmarked for lunch as it wasn't too big nor small and just the size for three people.

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A short while later another murral took the lure in clear water and immediately made a beeline for the weeds. However, I saw this coming and was able to keep him out of the weeds and cranked him over to the coracle. Once photographed, he was sent packing back to his weedy den.

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By now Praveen was having serious problems with his tackle as he was getting 'birds nest' on a regular basis. So we rowed back to the bank and I fixed him up with a 6'6" 2-piece Rapalla spinning rod that Asif had gifted me. I also switched the reel to a Shimano CX 2500 loaded with 20 lb Power Pro braid with about 9 metres of 20 lb Berkley Trilene BigGame mono acting as a shock leader (you don't have to use that much mono). Bops (Gasram Gandu) has been insisting that I try braid and within Forbes it is reasonably safe to do so, though I wouldn't try it where the canal flows into Forbes as I have seen 30lb braid snap in a wink of an eye. I went cockeyed trying to tie an Albright knot as shown on the Power Pro site but Asif sent me another link and with the help of my son, I was able to get it right. Well, I am assuming I have got it right as nothing challenging has been caught on it to really test it.

Whilst we were on the bund (embankment), we tried stalking for murral along the periphery and it also gave Praveen a chance to practice his casting.

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After about an hour we sent the head ghillie home with the murral caught earlier in the day so that his wife could cook it for our lunch. We got back into the coracle but the murral must have gone off the feed as there was no sign of them.

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We gradually made our way 50 yards or so into the canal and tackled up to ledger for mahseer. I had three good bites. The first one I mistook for a vagary in the current and did not even get to strike. The second bite occured whilst I was lighting a cigarette and whilst I did strike that wasn't sufficient as I was unable to follow up with the reel. The third miss was just that and you could probably put it down to bad luck. Praveen had atleast a couple of bites but his striking wasn't good enough - even for braid but he will learn.

I have been suspecting this for some time and in my opinion, Forbes Sagar has relatively better mahseer action to offer than that at Headworks. Only the canal down stream of Headworks is under WASI protection, whilst the other surrounding waters are netted. Infact, Inder has seen a chap walk off with a bag full of mahseer and Praveen noticed some handlines as well yesterday. Certainly, the tug of the mahsser near Forbes Sagar is far stronger than the ones I have had at Headworks.

We rowed back to where the Gypsy was parked as lunch had arrived and I rather over indulged myself because I was sorely tempted to doze off for an hour or two in the back of the Gypsy. However, catching forty winks was not what we there for and we left Forbes to go to Headworks.

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We fished for an hour or so on the downstream side of Headworks. I got three bites of which I converted one and Pran got his first mahseer using a spinner.

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We then tried the upstream side of the dam wall but did not get any bites there. We fished for another thrity minutes or so after sunset using a plug and spinner but the mahseer weren't interested, so we packed up and headed back home.

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Post by eljefe » Fri Nov 02, 2007 11:43 am

Great Inauguration for Praveen.
Thats a very nice Murrel you have there Mack The Knife!
have been meaning to ask you about the Albright and its vagaries, glad to know you got it ! Been reading up a bit on superlines and the suggestion is use about 1/3 backing of higher strength mono , then the superline! but local opinion also prevails, as I've loaded my 8000 baitrunner the opposite! Another suggestion for Mono -Superline is to use CA on knot, let it dry overnight.
The food pics as usual make my day! miss the rustic taste.
Lucky no major 4 wheeling Mack The Knife, I went out on a similar 'path-next-to-the-canal' with Indiangypsy and the Pajeroo was aquaplaning all over! With the rain, canal in spate and a 30 foot drop the other side of the bund, it was fun!
Next time its headworks in the daytime? Did you guys see any of the? fresh water mullet?I am still amazed at the way those fish held their position in the fast current! Any snagss on the sand bags or is it reserved for the 'socks and bag specialist' like me? :evil:
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Re: Going fishing with Stevie Wonder tomorrow.

Post by Grumpy » Fri Nov 02, 2007 11:45 am

I`m still worried about `Stevie Wonder`.
Is that because he can`t ( doesn`t ) see things ? Because he rocks his head from side to side ? Because he plays the piano whilst fishing ? .............. Or possibly because of the shades ? LOL :wink: :lol: :lol:
Good report, nice photographs.
Thanks for sharing the particulars of your trip.

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Post by dev » Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:15 pm

I wasn't going to say anything but mgmpf...but what a beautiful fishing spot. As we sat locked in cubicle 10029 and tap out useless incentives for people to spend money.
I can just imagine the great experience and the fabulous food as usual. We chewed jerky and didn't get nuthing much in our last sortie, cause I had to get back home before curfew :0:

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Post by Yaj » Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:26 pm

Good show guys! Thanks for sharing the pics. Mahseer on spinner? Cool,how big was it?

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Post by Pran » Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:53 pm

Nice write up and great pictures, Mack The Knife.

Thanks Asif.

> Or possibly because of the shades ?

Grumps, Stevie's got the conjunctivitis.

>Mahseer on spinner?

Yaj, I caught mine on a spinner whilst Mack The Knife caught his on ragi.Mine was close to 500gms Mack The Knife's was about 700 gms.


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Post by Mack The Knife » Fri Nov 02, 2007 1:49 pm

Been reading up a bit on superlines and the suggestion is use about 1/3 backing of higher strength mono , then the superline! but local opinion also prevails, as I've loaded my 8000 baitrunner the opposite!
From what I understand, the backing is to prevent the braid from slipping/rotating as braid has no stretch and it could 'slip' when fighting a tough customer. Mono on the terminal tackle end is merely used as a shock leader.

Next time its headworks in the daytime?
By all means but I still feel Forbes is the better bet. There have been some real biggies caught in Forbes in the past (during Sahadev's dad's time) and now that there is some sort of protection, there is no reason why they should not return. Prathap has loaned me an uptide rod and I have already spooled the Shimano 6500 Baitrunner with 40lb mono in anticipation. Sahadev feels that a few serious sessions may just result in pay dirt. I am willing to try this because catching tiddlers is now getting to be a bore. I am willing to do a 24 hour session though I hope it does not take that long to hook into one. I may just hook off for a day during the Diwali hols. Plus with the cottage being all booked, one would be forced to stay at Forbes or go home.
Did you guys see any of the fresh water mullet?
No, did not see any this time.
Any snags on the sand bags or is it reserved for the 'socks and bag specialist' like me? :evil:
There was one which cost me an Owner but I have deliberately left this out as any WASI members reading this may want to try it and one wrong slip could result in an accident or worse. Will tell you over the phone but it's not for public consumption. The entry and exit to this place is also guarded by red ants and having ants in your pants is most definitely not fun.

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Post by Mack The Knife » Fri Nov 02, 2007 1:57 pm

Or possibly because of the shades ? LOL
:mrgreen:

I get a call on Tuesday evening telling me that he has had conjunctivitis for the past three days but would it be okay for him to come along. Well I told him he could come along so long as he brought his eye drops and dark glasses along.

Perhaps I should coin another forum name for him. Suggestions welcome.

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Post by Mack The Knife » Fri Nov 02, 2007 2:00 pm

Yaj";p="30119 wrote:Good show guys! Thanks for sharing the pics. Mahseer on spinner? Cool,how big was it?

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Hi Yaj. Spinners are commonly used, even for the big fellows.

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Post by Yaj » Fri Nov 02, 2007 2:38 pm

Mack The Knife Bana";p="30126 wrote: Hi Yaj. Spinners are commonly used, even for the big fellows.
I thought it was mainly spoons and plugs.But i suppose anything that imitates a baitfish should work, will carry some spinners too for my trip up North .Thanks!
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Post by Pran » Fri Nov 02, 2007 4:50 pm

>Perhaps I should coin another forum name for him. Suggestions welcome.

How about 'Mahseer Pran' or something on the same lines.

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Post by eljefe » Fri Nov 02, 2007 5:38 pm

Prathap has loaned me an uptide rod and I have already spooled the Shimano 6500 Baitrunner with 40lb mono in anticipation.

Loaned?? Thought you had a twin to the BM?
If you are going after em seriously, feel free to use the BM/Penn combo...
With a baitrunner, its used with Guides 'down" right?
Never seen one in that configuration.

All we 're seeing are the lil guys, where are the bigboys going? they must be there, allright! so it makes sense to do a dedicated mahseer only run.

Praveen, did you learn about the 'finality' when a mahseer takes your hook? no mistaking that! he takes your bait like it is owed to him, no nibbles and nakhras...
As for a new handle, how about 'tiddler Pran' :evil:
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Post by Pran » Fri Nov 02, 2007 6:07 pm

eljefe";p="30141 wrote:
Praveen, did you learn about the 'finality' when a mahseer takes your hook? no mistaking that! he takes your bait like it is owed to him, no nibbles and nakhras...
Actually no.The current was pretty strong and the rod stiff.Didn't realise I'd caught it till was close enough to see.

>As for a new handle, how about 'tiddler Pran'

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Post by Mack The Knife » Fri Nov 02, 2007 6:38 pm

Yaj, ask the IA boys what size they would recommend for North India. Down south I have seen No. 4 and 5's being used.

When do you leave? PM me your full name and postal address please. Your nephew called a shortwhile back and he will come over some time tomorrow evening.

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Post by Mack The Knife » Fri Nov 02, 2007 7:06 pm

Loaned?? Thought you had a twin to the BM?
The combo you have was bought because I had sold the earlier one and then got the itch to have another a few months later. The earlier one was rated for a 6 to 10 oz casting weight and was coupled with a Shimano Long Cast Baitrunner.

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If you are going after em seriously, feel free to use the BM/Penn combo...
If we ever go fishing for mahseer up north, I may just do that. Thanks.
With a baitrunner, its used with Guides 'down" right?
Never seen one in that configuration.
Yes. So long as you keep the line roller aligned with the guides you should be okay. Prathap also gave me his multiplier but I was not comfortable keeping that because replacing a Swedish made Abu, should anything happen to it, would be difficult. They are no longer made in Sweden. I did ask Prathap if he was okay with me using his uptide with a spinning reel and he said that would be fine.
All we 're seeing are the lil guys, where are the bigboys going? they must be there, allright! so it makes sense to do a dedicated mahseer only run.
Perhaps we need to sit down with ragi baited 7/0 size Gamakatsus or Owners and find out. ;)

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