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Deer hunting in Eastern Montana

Post by timmy » Thu Oct 08, 2009 2:09 am

A friend of mine who, many years ago, worked for the US Forest Service in Eastern Montana, invited me back east for a deer hunt in his area. Those of us who lived in Western Montana, which occupies the mountainous western two fifths of the state, generally looked down on the Eastern portion of Montana as a desolate "dust bowl."

Eastern Montana, along with the eastern portions of states to the south, is very much like the western sections of the Dakotas, Nebraska, and Kansas, being relatively high in altitude and undergoing cyclical weather conditions that include drought. It was, in former times, called "The Prairie." a vast dry grassland of rolling hills, cut by dry washes and coulees, with occasional shallow rivers.

For many folks who are familiar with this portion of the USA, but unfamiliar with Southeastern Montana, the notion of a National Forest existing in this country seems absurd. However, the distances in this area are great, and one can often travel for 50 or even 100 miles without seeing much in the way of trees. But remote sections of the Custer National Forest are located here, and my destination was my friend's cabin, just over the border in Camp Crook, South Dakota.

The general impression of this country is that it is desolate and barren. Nothing could be further from the truth. Native American nomadic tribes coveted and warred over this area, which, beside the buffalo herds of 150 years ago, teemed with deer, antelope, wild turkey and other wildlife. While the buffalo are gone, the other wildlife remains in relative abundance.

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(note: these pictures were taken from the Chalk Buttes, an area a few miles to the northwest of the Long Pines, and very similar in appearance. I included them because they give a perfect impression of the landscape.)

The main river in this area of the country is the Little Missouri River.

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(note: this picture is, I believe, from North Dakota, but is the best I could do in recreating the idea of what the river's course in Montana, further upstream, is like.)

This entire area would have provided a very bountiful existence to the limited populations of nomadic Native Americans before the white man began to settle the area. In fact, this entire part of the country, along with the Black Hills to the southeast, was reserved to the Sioux tribes by treaty. The discovery of gold in the Black Hills gave whites the impetus to enter Sioux lands, treaty or not.

Near Camp Crook in South Dakota, near Ludlow, my friend had told me of an archeological discovery: It seems as a raiding party had stopped to divide the spoils of a raid on another tribe and had stopped by some rocks to bash the brains out of infants taken in the raid. Archeologists had uncovered the site and were working on it during my friend's tenure on the Custer National Forest there.

Of course, further to the west is the famous Custer National Battlefield, which is also similar in appearance to the area around Ekalaka, Montana and Camp Crook, South Dakota. I've visited this site many times, both out of my own interest in the event and because my Wife has relatives buried in the military cemetery next to the Battlefield.

Not only was this area a unfrequented hunting spot, it was also a very historical and scenic region of the American West.

My early efforts at hunting began south of Camp Crook, where the Little Missouri is inside of the Montana state line. My friend and I went with one of the locals, who worked with my friend, and we explored an area right along the riverbank. I was using my Ruger #1 in 270, with a 4x Leupold scope and Remington 130 gr. bronze points. After maybe an hour or so of working through the tall cottonwood trees and thick vegetation about 300 yards away from the bank, we came upon a small group of deer with a nicely sized buck, which I took a shot at and missed. The deer ambled, rather than bolted, toward the river and crossed. (I suppose they really weren't hunted so much as to be spooky.)

We followed and Mike, the local, took right off across the frozen surface of the Little Missouri. He was quite a bit smaller than me, and I found the cracking sounds in the ice quite disconcerting! I didn't think I could swim too well in my woolens and with a pack. However, after crossing the river and scouting about, it was clear these deer were gone for good.

Later on, my friend told me that Mike had asked whether I could actually shoot. John had told him that I could, but I don't think Mike was very convinced after my morning's performance.

In the afternoon, we went up into the hills, which were covered with abundant woods and criss-crossed by various deep ravines. The views across the surrounding plains were quite spectacular. In one section, we saw a dead cow at the bottom of a large, wide ravine, and a pair of eagles were circling it. One was a bald eagle and the other was a golden (these birds are both large, but very distinguishable in color) and I have since understood that it is quite rare to see them together like this.

Further on in the day, we came across some turkeys. My friend had advised me to get a turkey tag, since the birds were plentiful in the area and he thought I might get a shot. As it was, a nice tom and some hens were poking along when we came up on them. I had my 45 ACP with me and had laid a nice sight on the tom's neck when he took off and roosted on a tree some distance away -- unfortunately it was the only opportunity I had to fill my turkey tag.

The next day, my friend and I hunted alone. We spent most of the day poking in promising areas, but to no avail. Finally, late in the afternoon, we were northeast of Camp Crook and looking for a likely place to finish off the day, when we came upon a number of deer in an opening as we rounded a corner. John pulled off of the road quickly and shut off the engine, and we sat for a bit, as the deer didn't seem too spooked by my truck. I inched out of the passenger's side after John and, taking a nice rest on the hood, held on the heart of a nice buck and touched off.

Immediately, the buck dropped to the ground as if he'd been clubbed on the head. In a short time, I found that this is exactly what had happened. Running up, I quickly reloaded and at about 30 or so yards, it was clear that the buck was getting up. Just as he got to his feet, I quickly put another round right in the boiler room and he was finished for good.

John and I looked the buck over, and he was of nice size with a modest 3 point rack. (We count one side only out West…) As we looked him over for where my first shot had hit him, we discovered that it had creased him right on top of the head, between the antlers. The bullet had gone through clear to the skull, but there was no blood or other injury. In effect, I had knocked him out and only really shot him when we approached more closely.

On the way back to get the truck, I paced off over 270 paces, so I suppose my shooting range was at least 250 yards. It is my practice to sight in 3 inches high at 100 yards, so even at this distance, holding directly on should have put a bullet into the heart-lung area, not hit him on the top of the head!

After gutting him, we took him back and I gave Mike the hide for skinning him for me. After hanging out with John for another day, I headed off for home. We took him to a local game butcher and got about 135 pounds of meat from him as a result -- he was a nice fat buck and quite tasty.

Later on, I took the Ruger out to the range to see just where it was shooting. It turned out that I was not even printing on the paper, even though I had sighted in just before leaving on the trip. Subsequently, I noticed that on every trip to the range, the zero was always different, even though the groups were under an inch.

I found a book in the local library by Frank De Haas on single shot rifles, and he identified the problem: The way Ruger beds the fore end to the barrel ensures a wandering zero whenever the weather changes. De Haas recommended several fixes, including the mounting of a steel block to the bottom of the barrel and bedding the fore end to that. I wasn't too much in the mood to tear into the Ruger in that fashion, so I opted for his "low-tech" cure of installing a metal shim between the under-rib and the fore end, so that the barrel was clearly free floated.

Since doing this simple modification, the #1 has always retained zero and, just before we left Montana, I had set it up with a 12x AO Weaver, and started using it for hunting rockchucks in the mountains.

So, there's a little hunting story to provide company to your cup of tea!
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Re: Deer hunting in Eastern Montana

Post by Vikram » Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:09 am

Tim,

Thanks for the pictures of the spectacular landscape and the nice story with right amounts of history,hunting and gunsmihing thrown in.I greatly enjoyed the post.

I read quite bit about Custer's 7th Cavalry and the battle of Little Big Horn.We have a member, not very active here ,who has an ancestor who fought on that historic day.

The moment I read Ruger#1 I remembered my long held doubt whether single shot rifles are more accurate than bolt actions.Your post actually dealt with it in part at the end.Uncanny.I do not know, but do you think single shot rifles are more accurate than bolt actions?Thank you.

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Re: Deer hunting in Eastern Montana

Post by Sakobav » Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:53 am

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Thanks for a nice story.. I am trying to get my hunter ed NY permit unable to find a place in the class. They seem to fill up quite fast. :(

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Re: Deer hunting in Eastern Montana

Post by nagarifle » Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:59 am

timmy please do not post picks as they remind me of the little time i spent in Montana and they bring :(
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Post by xl_target » Thu Oct 08, 2009 6:55 am

Great story Timmy, Looking forward to more.
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Post by herb » Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:33 am

Nice story & great pictures, thanks for sharing

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Re: Deer hunting in Eastern Montana

Post by BJL » Thu Oct 08, 2009 11:07 am

Very nice story. Any interesting reason for why only half the rack is counted?
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Re: Deer hunting in Eastern Montana

Post by rsuresh » Thu Oct 08, 2009 12:14 pm

Hi Timmy,

Thats a good hunt and the way you narrate is much interesting.
Please share your hunting experiences with us often. And also do post ur pictures also.

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Re: Deer hunting in Eastern Montana

Post by timmy » Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:36 am

Thanks, folks! Some responses:

Regarding how and why racks are counted the way they are, that's a good question. Here's a book you can read about antlers:

The Deer of North America

On page 85, the author notes this difference in counting of racks. Looking through what he writes, he sounds like someone who is not a Westerner!

Where I usually hunted, we didn't have Whitetail. In the area where this story took place, I was told they had a mixed population, but saw no whitetail. Out West, we were familiar with Mule deer, which have antlers that differ from Whitetail like this:

Mule deer:

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Note how each antler's main beam has a major fork, and then tines fork from those branches.

Whitetail deer:

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Note how there is a main beam, and tines form from those main beams without forking themselves.

Some reasons why there may be a difference in counting points on antlers could be that often, eastern deer don't get a good diet due to over-population. For instance, here in Texas, what they call a "Deer" are more like big dogs than big game.

In much of the USA, there are no predators. Out West, we at least do have a few mountain lions, which are very secretive, but this is changing as the population grows. I suppose a grizzly or two takes an occasional deer. Wolves have been introduced into Yellowstone and Glacier National Parks, and ranchers around Yellowstone are raising cain about this, but I doubt that these wolves factor into the deer population much -- for now. I'm sure that coyotes might get fawns every now and then. In other areas, such as the East, people shot all of the predators in their areas.

Also back East, the anti-gun and anti-hunting attitudes (at least, in the Northeast, which is what I'm familiar with) prevents hunting from being a viable alternative for deer population control. The deer were so thick when we lived there for 2 ½ years that they regularly ravaged flower beds right under the windows of homes. It wasn't at all uncommon to see them in the lawns in the morning. Also, there were always a number of carcasses along the highway from road kill.

The deer there were quite small and, it seemed to me, diseased-looking. In order to deal with the overpopulation, many folks were talking about giving the deer population birth control. This was simply unfathomable to my mind. I don't know what goes on there, today.

But my point would be that malnutrition and genetic abnormalities can affect antler formation, which may account for more "non-typical" racks out East and a need to be able to number them.

Also, out West, I think we had a much higher percentage of "meat hunters" as opposed to "horn hunters." (I know that antlers are not horns, and vice versa, but that's how it was said.) For this reason, I don't think that there was as much reason to be quite so analytical in quantifying racks to determine which one was "best." Of course, everything is a contest nowadays! But these are only guesses; I don't have the answer to that question.

Navi, hold on to that license, once you get it! When we moved back West to Colorado, one had to have that hunter's safety certificate to apply for any kind of tag. If one was from another state, that was OK, but it was the individual's responsibility to provide the records needed. If one lost one's permit, the alternatives were either to obtain another from the former state of residence, or take the course again.

I had never taken a hunter's safety course, but actually, it seems like a good idea, given some of the people I've seen in the woods.

Vikram, the Custer battle is quite interesting. I suppose it's because nobody can ever "prove" what happened. Militarily, it seems to correspond to the British defeat at Isandlwana on a smaller scale, in that Custer tried to form a square, but the formation was breached by the Sioux/Cheyenne forces by taking advantage of the terrain. That, and the behavior of his two subordinates guaranteed his defeat.

Regarding accuracy, my own opinion is that this would be difficult to quantify. If one is talking about something that can be carried, then accuracy would seem to be governed by how heavy of a barrel the action could support properly. For most field rifles that are carried, if one thinks of 10 or 12 pounds as being the upper limit, I don't see any reason why a single shot would give up much to a bolt, if one were talking about a varmit rifle with a heavy barrel.

Again, for a bench rest rifle that is bedded to a barrel block, as opposed to an action, the issue there would be even less important.

One might make the case that a single shot isn't as strong as a bolt action, but that would depend a lot on the example of each type in question.

The shortcomings of a single shot vs a bolt, to me, would be in the areas of extraction (a bolt used a very powerful camming force to pull a fired cartridge from the chamber initially) and the method of ignition in most single shots. For instance, the Ruger #1 uses a rotating hammer for ignition. The way the hammer is engineered regarding compactness is a marvel, and the trigger-sear arrangement is quite elegant, but ultimately I think that a regular straight-line striker arrangement should be superior. Of course, some single shots, notably the Martini Henry and the Sharps Borchardt, have such a striker ignition.

Another issue might be handiness: for some kinds of shooting, a bolt is much easier to operate than some sort of underlever.

But for my use, I think that the Ruger #1 performs very satisfactorily. I guess that's not much of an answer to your question!
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Re: Deer hunting in Eastern Montana

Post by HSharief » Fri Oct 09, 2009 5:45 pm

Timmy, very nice pictures and write up. Question, is the term "Big Sky country" applied to all of Montana or just one part.

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Post by Sakobav » Sat Oct 10, 2009 8:06 am

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The hunter ed classes one has to at some sites go in person and register 3 weeks prior to the class, not a day earlier or later. :roll:
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Re: Deer hunting in Eastern Montana

Post by timmy » Sat Oct 10, 2009 9:51 pm

HS: Montana's nickname is "Big Sky Country." When one thinks of "Big Sky," Montana should come to mind first. However, there is a college association for athletics called "The Big Sky Conference" that includes schools from other states besides Montana, so while Montana itself should be thought of in conjunction with this term, one might have to consider context when one hears it.

I should also mention, "Big Sky" is a term that denotes something commonly seen in the West. As a New Mexican, my favorite skies are in that state, where the cobalt blue skies are generally dotted with huge puffy white cumulus clouds, sailing overhead like stately Spanish Galleons. We also have some very massive elk in New Mexico. Because the summer/growing season is longer, the elk have more to eat and get larger. When you think of New Mexico, you think of high plains to the east, which are similar to those found in Montana, Wyoming, and Colorado. In the West, "islands" of montane, sub alpine, and alpine regions rise above the desert.

All over the American West, there is a great diversity of landscape and game to be found in the mountains.

Navi: Ugh! Sounds like a real headache! Keep giving it a shot, tho; I'm sure it will be worthwhile in the end.
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Re: Deer hunting in Eastern Montana

Post by shooter » Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:18 pm

bhai how can outsiders hunt there?
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Re: Deer hunting in Eastern Montana

Post by timmy » Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:55 pm

Shooter, just check out:

http://fwp.mt.gov/hunting/default.html

and follow the regulations for "nonresidents" -- which means anyone who's not a resident of the State of Montana.
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