12 ga. Cartridges For Self Defence

[Ace_doc]

i meant over penetration as in the " tissue" ie living tissue context.

[amk]

I too feel if one uses slugs the main advantage of multiple projectiles and minimal aiming is lost. So in the multiple projectile Indian law category BBB or BB is the best bet?

[msandhu]

Agree with penpusher with over penetration. In US where most of inside walls are dry wall, this is an issue but in India, almost all the walls (inside , outside ) are brick walls and i don't think any shots will pass through them
Cheers
Mandeep

-- Wed Apr 29, 2009 10:11 --

i meant over penetration as in the " tissue" ie living tissue context.

Hi doc,
I am no expert on it but i can understand over penetration of tissues in case of bullets ( like 9mm will over penetrate due to smaller and faster bullet while .45ACP will not as it is bigger and slower bullet ) but how will this be an issue with non-expanding shots pallets ? Why does it matter if the shot pallets go through the body or stays inside ?

Cheers
Mandeep

[Ace_doc]

hi mandeep ! evevn when fired at close shot ranges ( in forensic lingo ) bird shot rarely over penetrates.the issue is whether the "slug" may over penetrate the person it is shot at. rest penetration of a bullet into the target depends as u rightly said on the speed,shape and contruction of said projectile.if a slug is going to go through a plaster wall it may go through softer human tissue also. the only definitive test would be to test fire it either on ballastic gelatin or a cut of meat.penetration in dry non timber wood is around 3.5 inches. may be we should adopt eljefes wet directory test ? any ideas people.

[penpusher]

Whenever there is a discussion about over penetration on the net the main issue is the projectile punching through a wall and hitting a person in the next room or the neighbour next door in a crowded urban setting.In the Indian context,it is meaningless unless you are talking of a door to the next room behind the BG.In India we should be more concerned about ricochets.

A 12 ga slug does not need to expand.It makes a big hole as it is,so over penetration and therefore the projectile not dumping all it's energy in the target, should be meaningless.Also keep in mind that an exit wound would mean two holes in the BG.The second probably bigger than the first.

[Ace_doc]

ya thanks for the correct perspective. i was all along thinking only bout the guy not the surroundings. well, the part bout the ballistic test still stands . would be nice to get some reviews.

[mundaire]

ya thanks for the correct perspective. i was all along thinking only bout the guy not the surroundings. well, the part bout the ballistic test still stands . would be nice to get some reviews.

Just 'googled' a bit and came up with this rather interesting post on someone's blog:

http://www.shadonet.com/2008/01/choosin ... e-defense/

Cheers!
Abhijeet

[boatme99]

Which cartridges are best for self defence?

What i meant by my queation was that if i need to shoot a robber to protect myself or my household, which is the best cartridge to shoot that would not kill the guy but get him on the ground nice and proper, Ballshot, 7no......?

And Jonah, if u dont want to answer properly or think its a silly question dont waste urs as well as my time, stay away.


Thanks.

Why would shoot someone if you didn't mean kill them? If you don't want to kill them, a bat, stick, or rock would do the job.

[Timnorris]

One does not always shoot to kill.........................I dont think it is a good idea using baseball bat or any other household object against any intruder................

[boatme99]

One does not always shoot to kill.........................I dont think it is a good idea using baseball bat or any other household object against any intruder................

If you aren't going to shoot to kill, you should probably rethink your entire idea of using firearms for self defense. A gun is made for one purpose only. If a person isn"t comforatable or willing to use it for that purpose, they should pack it away. A taser would be a better option. I'm not trying to give you a hard time, just my opinion.

[TwoRivers]

Unfortunately, no gun will "put a bad guy down", but not kill him. The only way you can accomplish that would be by destroying a knee or shattering his thigh bone. That would put him on the ground, but he could still shoot back. And later sue you or your estate. A "stun bag" projectile, basically a kevlar fabric bag filled with lead dust, would probably put him down for a while without killing him. But that kind of ammo is not available to civilians. I'm afraid, if you are going to use a gun for self defense, and can't convince the guy that you do mean it, you have to be prepared to kill. Without that mind set, having a gun is pointless. Unless the bad guy is an amateur on his first attempt, being shown a gun will not deter him. He'll just take it from you. Cheers.

[msandhu]

If someone is thinking of non-lethal way of stopping intruders or for self defense, then they should look at pepper spray, stun guns , teasers etc.
If you intend to use a gun but not kill, then rubber bullets can be used but none of the above methods will guarantee that the intruded will be incapacitated enough not to hurt you
Cheers
MSandhu

[Rottmeister]

The best way is to develop some halitosis.