Russian bolt action carbine Gornostay in cal 6,5 Grendel
Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 3:43 pm
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Russian bolt action carbine Gornostay in cal 6,5 Grendel
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Re: Russian bolt action carbine Gornostay in cal 6,5 Grendel
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:51 am
I made one on a BSA monarch action and Green Mountain bbl. 120 gr and 100 gr projectiles over BM2 give an inch groups. Excellent accuracy for the first load out of the book. I’m sure it can be tweaked to get better groups. This rifle seems to have the solid, tank like specs, as is expected of Russian made guns. What ammo is he using here ?
Re: Russian bolt action carbine Gornostay in cal 6,5 Grendel
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2020 2:43 pm
Standard ammo caliber 6,5 Grendel in steel caseeljefe wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:51 amI made one on a BSA monarch action and Green Mountain bbl. 120 gr and 100 gr projectiles over BM2 give an inch groups. Excellent accuracy for the first load out of the book. I’m sure it can be tweaked to get better groups. This rifle seems to have the solid, tank like specs, as is expected of Russian made guns. What ammo is he using here ?
Ammo - Barnaul plant
price in Russia - 20 cent per shot
Re: Russian bolt action carbine Gornostay in cal 6,5 Grendel
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2020 2:52 pm
http://eng.barnaulpatron.ru/production/ ... re/65.html
In russian shop i see 2-3 types of this bullet - Barnaul plant,Novosibirsk plant,Amur plant
I dont have weapon in this caliber
basic I using 9x18, 9x19, 5,45x39 ,7,62x39, 223 Rem,7,62 x 54 R - semi on AK and AR platform and some domestic tools based on APS and submachine gun Kedr
In russian shop i see 2-3 types of this bullet - Barnaul plant,Novosibirsk plant,Amur plant
I dont have weapon in this caliber
basic I using 9x18, 9x19, 5,45x39 ,7,62x39, 223 Rem,7,62 x 54 R - semi on AK and AR platform and some domestic tools based on APS and submachine gun Kedr
Re: Russian bolt action carbine Gornostay in cal 6,5 Grendel
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:07 pm
I've used Barnaul ammo in 7.62x39. Decent stuff.Seems to be steel cased.
The 6.5 Grendel cartridge is based on the 7.62x39, and initially developed by Alexander Arms.With a 2.20" COAL, it was touted as a successor to the 5.56 in the US M-16 as the 6.5 in 100-120 gr bullet weight packed far more punch than the 55,60 and even the 70 gr now in use. transonic velocity changes and a very respectable downrange fpe were in its favour.A lot of Yanks converted to it, using it on 16-18" bbl M-16 variants.
Because of the barrel twist offered, it showed excellent accuracy with lighter bullets.The 'standard ' 140 gr bullet used in the 6.5x55, which was sort of synonymous with the 6.5, shows a shotgun tendency, and does not stabilise well in barrels with twist rate made for the lighter bullets. My rifle wears a 20" bbl and reaches out too 400m with no qualms.
Its beginning to see use as a midrange deer caliber for fallow and even red deer.
Its most famous shot is a 400y takedown of an American Elk by La Rue, more famous for his gunsmithing.
The 6.5 Grendel cartridge is based on the 7.62x39, and initially developed by Alexander Arms.With a 2.20" COAL, it was touted as a successor to the 5.56 in the US M-16 as the 6.5 in 100-120 gr bullet weight packed far more punch than the 55,60 and even the 70 gr now in use. transonic velocity changes and a very respectable downrange fpe were in its favour.A lot of Yanks converted to it, using it on 16-18" bbl M-16 variants.
Because of the barrel twist offered, it showed excellent accuracy with lighter bullets.The 'standard ' 140 gr bullet used in the 6.5x55, which was sort of synonymous with the 6.5, shows a shotgun tendency, and does not stabilise well in barrels with twist rate made for the lighter bullets. My rifle wears a 20" bbl and reaches out too 400m with no qualms.
Its beginning to see use as a midrange deer caliber for fallow and even red deer.
Its most famous shot is a 400y takedown of an American Elk by La Rue, more famous for his gunsmithing.
Re: Russian bolt action carbine Gornostay in cal 6,5 Grendel
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:27 pm
6,5 Grendel based on caliber 220 Russian (also name 5,6 x39)eljefe wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:07 pmI've used Barnaul ammo in 7.62x39. Decent stuff.Seems to be steel cased.
The 6.5 Grendel cartridge is based on the 7.62x39, and initially developed by Alexander Arms.With a 2.20" COAL, it was touted as a successor to the 5.56 in the US M-16 as the 6.5 in 100-120 gr bullet weight packed far more punch than the 55,60 and even the 70 gr now in use. transonic velocity changes and a very respectable downrange fpe were in its favour.A lot of Yanks converted to it, using it on 16-18" bbl M-16 variants.
Because of the barrel twist offered, it showed excellent accuracy with lighter bullets.The 'standard ' 140 gr bullet used in the 6.5x55, which was sort of synonymous with the 6.5, shows a shotgun tendency, and does not stabilise well in barrels with twist rate made for the lighter bullets. My rifle wears a 20" bbl and reaches out too 400m with no qualms.
Its beginning to see use as a midrange deer caliber for fallow and even red deer.
Its most famous shot is a 400y takedown of an American Elk by La Rue, more famous for his gunsmithing.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/5,6_%C3%9 ... 0%BC%D0%BC
Re: Russian bolt action carbine Gornostay in cal 6,5 Grendel
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:32 pm
Decent looking rifle, RussianShooter. A sturdy, working product. 20 cents a shot is really cheap.
Welcome back, Jefe!
Welcome back, Jefe!
Re: Russian bolt action carbine Gornostay in cal 6,5 Grendel
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:34 pm
The 220 Russian is based on the 7.62x39
I have necked down a couple of hundred PPU 7.62x39 into 6.5 Grendel with a single pass into the FLS die,because Lapua cases are bloody expensive
Hi Ho V Garu
I have necked down a couple of hundred PPU 7.62x39 into 6.5 Grendel with a single pass into the FLS die,because Lapua cases are bloody expensive
Hi Ho V Garu
Re: Russian bolt action carbine Gornostay in cal 6,5 Grendel
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:36 pm
10 years ago i have one of the first my carbine MC -127 (Tula Tskib soo) looks like on foto in caliber 220 Russian
1-3 deer i hunt from this carbine
sell this carbine in 2010 for 35000 USD
1-3 deer i hunt from this carbine
sell this carbine in 2010 for 35000 USD
Re: Russian bolt action carbine Gornostay in cal 6,5 Grendel
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:42 pm
first developing 7,62x39 in 1944 year after this developing 220 Russian in 1950-1955 (russian developer Blum) years based on 7,62x39
after this many weapon in caliber 220 Russian be imported from Russia (USSR) In 2003 Alexander Arms developing this 6,5 Grendel based on 220 Russian
Re: Russian bolt action carbine Gornostay in cal 6,5 Grendel
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:57 pm
Re: Russian bolt action carbine Gornostay in cal 6,5 Grendel
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:03 pm
Lapua cases yep price very high
For reload i use russian steel case 5-10 cent per case (incl primer) and load only 1 time because price very low !
Re: Russian bolt action carbine Gornostay in cal 6,5 Grendel
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:07 pm
The .220 Russian ruled he roost as' king of accuracy' until the 22PPC series of cartridges came along,with 10* body taper and 30* shoulder angle, but no disputing the accuracy of the .220 Rusky.I had a few hundred steel cased 7.62x39 Soviet surplus cases. they were berdan primed and I used them with lee 155gr cast 0.312" cast from a Martini cadet. 1-2/10 didnt go off, but it was all for paper punching, or bunnies
Re: Russian bolt action carbine Gornostay in cal 6,5 Grendel
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:13 pm
in russian cartridge berdan primer 20-30 years its okeljefe wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:07 pmThe .220 Russian ruled he roost as' king of accuracy' until the 22PPC series of cartridges came along,with 10* body taper and 30* shoulder angle, but no disputing the accuracy of the .220 Rusky.I had a few hundred steel cased 7.62x39 Soviet surplus cases. they were berdan primed and I used them with lee 155gr cast 0.312" cast from a Martini cadet. 1-2/10 didnt go off, but it was all for paper punching, or bunnies
after 30 years its lottery. Soviet union end in 1990 - 30 years ago!
and have some problem with russian berdan primer and striker in "west" made weapon - weak spring,need change to more strong!
Sometimes in 2008 i using stock AUG-Z with tula 223 - 2 shot - 4 "klick"
replace spring and all go very well
in present have no problem with russian primer - many production with boxer and brass case
Re: Russian bolt action carbine Gornostay in cal 6,5 Grendel
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:33 pm
and .220 russian caliber its old hunting caliber developing in 1950eljefe wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:07 pmThe .220 Russian ruled he roost as' king of accuracy' until the 22PPC series of cartridges came along,with 10* body taper and 30* shoulder angle, but no disputing the accuracy of the .220 Rusky.I had a few hundred steel cased 7.62x39 Soviet surplus cases. they were berdan primed and I used them with lee 155gr cast 0.312" cast from a Martini cadet. 1-2/10 didnt go off, but it was all for paper punching, or bunnies
in present in Russia i think have 2-3 weapons in this caliber
1 Saiga 5,6x39 - using many russian redneck and slowpoke
2 Baikal MP-18 (ex IZH-18) and IZh 94 (sever) in 5,6x39 using prof hunters
3 Bars mod 4-1 - bolt action carbine in 5,6x39 using other types of russian redneck - also now - "kuzmichi" its types russian redneck dont like AK
4 20-50 MC-127 (128) in collection!
And its all what you may buy in 220 russian in present! All of this only second hand!