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I have been extremely impressed with the IOF 30-06 rifle. I am astounded by its phenomenal accuracy, its price and its chrome lined barrel.

After firing about 25 rounds through a friend's rifle, it was cleaned by running an oiled pull through three times through it on the range

It was then cleaned on the bench with Bore Tech Eliminator, and to my surprise, the patch came out clean the first time.

Even Blasers, MO3s, Mannnlicher barrels that I have used did not clean so easily or well.

I attribute this to its chrome lined barrel.

However, while the barrel cleans up easily enough, be cautioned that Ammonia based cleaners are NOT recommended for chrome lined barrels.

Micro cracks in the lining and the capillary effect will force the ammonia between steel and chrome, and this can have a detrimental effect on the barrel.

Thank you for the valuable advice......people tend to be ignorant and lazy in using the right solvent for a specified barell. Ammonia tends to desolve chrome, usually most copper solvents have ammonia in them.

IOF .30-06 is a copy of Sauer 202.
Firing 25 rounds does not produce a lot of powder burns and debris in a rifle, especially on a bolt-action one. A boresnake should be able to clean the bore fouling accumulated from firing 25 rounds easily. That's why the patch came out clean.
I've got a question, since ammonia based cleaners are not good for chrome lined barrel, what should one use to dissolve the copper?

About the accuracy, how was the grouping of IOF .30-06?

My grandfather used boiling hot water to wash barrels ( rifle and shotgun) and did a pull thro, dried and profusely oiled them . Is this a good old practice or was it a old method?

Priyan wrote:IOF .30-06 is a copy of Sauer 202.
Firing 25 rounds does not produce a lot of powder burns and debris in a rifle, especially on a bolt-action one. A boresnake should be able to clean the bore fouling accumulated from firing 25 rounds easily. That's why the patch came out clean.

Do you know who you are trying to teach about guns and his experience with practical gun shooting and maintenance?


Best-
Vikram

Priyan, let skeetshot be.
His level of experience is more than you or me can hope to acquire in this lifetime.
Interesting comment though skeetshot.
I am guessing ballistol should be good for the barrels?
I was talking to my father and he mentioned that steam is quite effective at cleaning rifle barrels.
They apparently had a Setup in his earlier outfit, where in a gas rubber hose fitted to a pressure cookers steam outlet was used to give the barrels a good cleaning.
Anyone tried that?

Vikram and Safarigent, I don't know about you but I can have a ball without mixing IRC and IRL.

If you read the post again carefully, you can see that I'm actually asking questions and sharing my opinion. AFAIK water is effective in dissolving the corrosive salt that results from firing corrosive ammo but not effective against copper fouling, hot water is normally used because warm water evaporates quickly without leaving much traces and it increases the solubility of salt in water. I heard during the Winter war conscripts used to piss down the bore to clean it up, not sure if it's true though.

Priyan wrote:Vikram and Safarigent, I don't know about you but I can have a ball without mixing IRC and IRL.

If you read the post again carefully, you can see that I'm actually asking questions and sharing my opinion.

You are asking a question?

Priyan wrote:IOF .30-06 is a copy of Sauer 202.
Firing 25 rounds does not produce a lot of powder burns and debris in a rifle, especially on a bolt-action one. A boresnake should be able to clean the bore fouling accumulated from firing 25 rounds easily. That's why the patch came out clean.

Offering opinions about which you may not have any practical experience to a man whose shooting career could easily be twice your age is well

And what is this about having a ball?

Best-
Vikram

inb4 flame war

Well, I'm retarded and skeetshot and you all are shooting god and you guys know everything about firearms and I don't know anything. Also my opinions are retarded.
No more posts from my side in this thread from now on.

"Priyan, let skeetshot be.
His level of experience is more than you or me can hope to acquire in this lifetime."

"Do you know who you are trying to teach about guns and his experience with practical gun shooting and maintenance?"

"Offering opinions about which you may not have any practical experience to a man whose shooting career could easily be twice your age is well"

+1

Nitro Express

Priyan wrote:inb4 flame war

Well, I'm retarded and skeetshot and you all are shooting god and you guys know everything about firearms and I don't know anything. Also my opinions are retarded.
No more posts from my side in this thread from now on.

We can't speak for your retardation,but none of the rest are know it all shooting gods.We just do not preach or talk down to people who know better or stay quiet when we do not know what is being talked about.

You can keep your tantrums to yourself.

Best-
Vikram

My grandfather used boiling hot water to wash barrels ( rifle and shotgun) and did a pull thro, dried and profusely oiled them . Is this a good old practice or was it a old method?

Primers in the old days contained corrosive salts that would be deposited in the bore after firing. Water dissolves and washes away these salts. Unless you are using ammo with corrosive primers, you do not need to wash out your barrel with water.

Today, there are very few companies still using corrosive primers. For example the US Army stopped using corrosive primers since around the 1950's. Commercial US ammo uses non-corrosive primers. About the only people still using corrosive primers today are some of the Russian and former Warsaw Pact ammo makers. Eastern bloc surplus ammo left over from the cold war usually has corrosive primers. I have no clue what IOF uses for primers.

Priyan wrote:IOF .30-06 is a copy of Sauer 202.
Firing 25 rounds does not produce a lot of powder burns and debris in a rifle, especially on a bolt-action one. A boresnake should be able to clean the bore fouling accumulated from firing 25 rounds easily. That's why the patch came out clean.
I've got a question, since ammonia based cleaners are not good for chrome lined barrel, what should one use to dissolve the copper?

About the accuracy, how was the grouping of IOF .30-06?

Relax friends , and no offence taken Priyan.

There are many old and new copper and carbon cleaners available that dont use ammonia. Boretech Eliminator is one of the newer ones and good old Ballistol is a time tested but older one. The internet is full of ads of all the new Wunder Products. Removing Copper is easier, removing carbon is more difficult. When one shoots multiple shots, layers of carbon and copper get deposited in the barrel and especially ahead of the leade where the dreaded accuracy robbing copper ring gets created.

Depending on the barrel, this can happen as little as after 15 rounds in the 30-06, although in a good barrel one notices this after about 50 rounds.

Point to note for all those Big Bore shooters

I was using rather lousy POF hardnosed cartridges. 5 shot groups at 50 meters was a ragged hole of about 0.3 inch and at 150 meters was 0.8 inch. Scope was set at 8 X, dont recall the make.

The point being that the bore cleaned up real easy, unlike the bore of my Blaser.

skeetshot wrote: 5 shot groups at 50 meters was a ragged hole of about 0.3 inch and at 150 meters was 0.8 inch.

That is very good shooting and thanks for the warning on the solvents/cleaners while cleaning the rifle.Now if only the IOF chaps would change the stock profile and focus a bit more on the aesthetics.

I was researching this topic online and came across some conflicting information.
Apparently, nickle plating is done over a soft coating of copper and ammonia based compounds shouldnt be used for cleaning the nickle plating.
However chrome plating is done over steel and the ammonia in the solvent wont have any effect on the underlying steel.
I am confused.
Is there any manufacturers reccomendation or hard evidence to support either view point?
In good faith,
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