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arms license

Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 11:24 pm
by docsydney
Hello Gentlemen,

Any ideas if weapons having a Display Purpose only mentioned on the license can be used to shoot. ? I know it sounds stupid but just had them transferred to my name after my fathers demise. They belonged to him.Now Ive got them transferred to my name.

Re: arms license

Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 12:05 am
by rajveer
With lots of respect to your late father and great regret for you , since you lost your WISE MAN.
Please don't ask this question to anyone and kindly don't try yourself also. Not only you will heart your late fathers sentiments. But You will find no one to bail you out of jail.

IT IS ILLEGAL, just for your kind information.

Regards.

PS. now try to be anything apart from stupid, since the WISE MAN in your life is no more.

Re: arms license

Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 12:27 am
by boris
docsydney wrote:Hello Gentlemen,

Any ideas if weapons having a Display Purpose only mentioned on the license can be used to shoot. ? I know it sounds stupid but just had them transferred to my name after my fathers demise. They belonged to him.Now Ive got them transferred to my name.

Respected Sir,

You are more than twice my age but take this as an advice from one gun-lover to another,absolutely don't try this those weapons endorsed on your license are classified as display firearms that cannot be converted to function and somehow if you do and fire it is one very very serious offence you will lose your late father's collection and your license too.

Re: arms license

Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 12:46 am
by rajveer
boris wrote:
docsydney wrote:Hello Gentlemen,

Any ideas if weapons having a Display Purpose only mentioned on the license can be used to shoot. ? I know it sounds stupid but just had them transferred to my name after my fathers demise. They belonged to him.Now Ive got them transferred to my name.

Respected Sir,

You are more than twice my age but take this as an advice from one gun-lover to another,absolutely don't try this those weapons endorsed on your license are classified as display firearms that cannot be converted to function and somehow if you do and fire it is one very very serious offence you will lose your late father's collection and your license too.
just out of curiosity, how you calculated the posters age , by reading his post :shock: :shock:
Very sorry to say why a RESPECTED SIR, who wants others in the forum to be a partner in crime.
Wheather this license and Display weapon transfered and given to him when he was sleeping in his home.
It is with his good knowledge, the license , display weapon. Now he wants to convert it to a firing weapon,
How many of us want to be with him........................ kindly excuse me.

Regards.

Re: arms license

Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 2:07 am
by goodboy_mentor
1) If a weapon cannot fire a projectile then it is not a firearm as per definition of firearms in Section 2 of Arms Act 1959, then does not require a license under Section 3 of Arms Act 1959.

2) If a weapon is of an obsolete pattern, then Arms Act 1959 does not apply(discussed in detail here http://indiansforguns.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=15556).

3) If a weapon is of antiquarian value(means not less than 100 years old), then Arms Act 1959 does not apply.

4) If a weapon is in disrepair which is not capable of being used as a firearm either or without repair, then Arms Act 1959 does not apply.

If the weapon falls in category numbered one, then under which Section of Arms Act 1959, the license has been issued? Is it also some kind of edged weapon? Has the license been issued under Section 4 of Arms Act 1959? Is there a notification issued by the Central Government under Section 4 of Arms Act 1959 in force in your area?

If the weapon falls in any of the categories numbered from two to four, then the weapon is not covered under Arms Act 1959. Then how a "license" has been issued, since it anyways does not require a license under Arms Act 1959.

Re: arms license

Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 2:34 am
by boris
rajveer wrote:
boris wrote:
docsydney wrote:Hello Gentlemen,

Any ideas if weapons having a Display Purpose only mentioned on the license can be used to shoot. ? I know it sounds stupid but just had them transferred to my name after my fathers demise. They belonged to him.Now Ive got them transferred to my name.

Respected Sir,

You are more than twice my age but take this as an advice from one gun-lover to another,absolutely don't try this those weapons endorsed on your license are classified as display firearms that cannot be converted to function and somehow if you do and fire it is one very very serious offence you will lose your late father's collection and your license too.
just out of curiosity, how you calculated the posters age , by reading his post :shock: :shock:



Very sorry to say why a RESPECTED SIR, who wants others in the forum to be a partner in crime.
Wheather this license and Display weapon transfered and given to him when he was sleeping in his home.
It is with his good knowledge, the license , display weapon. Now he wants to convert it to a firing weapon,
How many of us want to be with him........................ kindly excuse me.

Regards.
Visit the profile of any member if he has filled in his age then it is visible.

Re: arms license

Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 2:35 am
by SYED833
The questioner was asking for inputs regarding weather he could convert them for firing..He did not ask or request help to actually do it,rather i think he was asking if such a thing can be done legally..Since many people are not aware or clear about the law,one can assume this to be a innocent inquiry for clarity.
A request to people who answer..Please dont be too harsh or rude in your replys,this may scare people off from asking questions.Do remember,Even asking a stupid question is better than not asking any and doing something stupid. :)

And as many have said IT IS ILLEGAL TO CONVERT YOUR DISPLAY FIREARM.IT WILL GET YOU INTO JAIL AND KEEP YOU THERE..
Regards
syed

Re: arms license

Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 3:20 am
by goodboy_mentor
I agree, many people are not aware or clear about the Arms Act 1959. Yes there is no need to be harsh or quick in any reply and let us understand the question completely before answering. As I have already mentioned in my previous post above, if the weapon falls in any of the four categories then it does not need license for firearm. As per my understanding, if a weapon is of an obsolete pattern or of antiquarian value(means not less than 100 years old), even if it can fire, it does not need a license under Arms Act 1959(I have tried to explain this at http://indiansforguns.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=15556). Let him clarify the details before we answer his query.

Re: arms license

Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 3:33 am
by rajveer
Straight and direct,

converting or trying to convert any display weapon (issued on license or otherwise), is not only illegal but a crime. If that person is asking help of others in any manner, even after pretending that he is stupid , how many here what to show their inteligence. Just to say that guy " DEAR FRIEND IT IS AN ILLegal THOUGHT STAY AWAY FROM IT.'

Why is the question of poster's age and trying to be polite is't my replies to him polite enough.

Regards.

Re: arms license

Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 4:04 am
by rajveer
docsydney wrote:Hello Gentlemen,

Any ideas if weapons having a Display Purpose only mentioned on the license can be used to shoot. ? I know it sounds stupid but just had them transferred to my name after my fathers demise. They belonged to him.Now Ive got them transferred to my name.
Before jumping on guns, kindly read the original question once again with some patience, This gentleman wants to shoot a display weapon now in his possession after his fathers demise, he is neither asking for anything nor he wants to know anything.

Now my friends who is willing to provide cartridges/ bullets to him ...........anyone?
I dont think display weapons will be having cartridge quota.

Regards.

Re: arms license

Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 11:36 am
by SYED833
docsydney wrote:Hello Gentlemen,

Any ideas if weapons having a Display Purpose only mentioned on the license can be used to shoot. ? I know it sounds stupid but just had them transferred to my name after my fathers demise. They belonged to him.Now Ive got them transferred to my name.
No one is jumping on to anything,least of all guns.. :)
The statement-'Any ideas IF weapons having a Display Purpose only mentioned on the license CAN BE used to shoot. ?' is a question,a query to clarify if this is possible.No intent,has formed yet.
Let him ask stupid questions, as long as he is asking questions,and receiving intelligent answers,no harm has been done..Its better than to not ask any at all,and out of ignorance do something stupid..Arms Act does not give second chances.One mistake,and you are gone for a long time..
:cheers:
syed.
p.s.No quota for display weapons.. :)

Re: arms license

Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 12:14 pm
by rajveer
Something illegal is, in plain and simple way ‘ILLEGAL’.

Playing with words doesn’t work always.

Apart from promoting stupid question and trying to come up with intelligent answer for that stupid question, there is a thing called COMMAN SENSE.
This thing called COMMAN SENSE, if used will not harm.

Is it necessary to read between the lines, someone’s question and try to give different meaning to it?

Regards.

Re: arms license

Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 12:46 pm
by SYED833
Ever heard of AMBIGUITY..Criminals have walked free because of this word..All i say is that the actual question cannot be denied a benefit of doubt..We cannot automatically assume criminal intentions..
Using common sense is good.But questioning is human nature and we are here to give and receive wisdom.
regards.
syed.

Re: arms license

Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 1:59 pm
by rajveer
I rest my case,

Kindly continue with ambiguity, criminal cases and other things.

For me simple answer for simple question. A question is a question if someone says; I am asking a stupid question. Then that person is qualified enough to understand, what is he asking.

By the way, where is the original poster?

I think he got the message, LOUD AND CLEAR IT IS ILLEGAL.
Regards.

Re: arms license

Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 7:08 pm
by goodboy_mentor
Is the author of this thread not entitled to audi alteram partem?