Winnie,
I think the gory pictures would not succeed in dissuading the prospective buyers. I have often wondered about the condition of the barrels of similar guns owned by renowned shots after 3-5 years of extensive use.There is a possibility that a 15L boomer has a shot out barrel !
The second picture caught my attention for obvious reasons, in present day Orthopaedics it is rather unusual to see a thumb being immobilised/managed like that.
The last Blazer R93 I hears was going for 22 lacs. It refrained from posting sometime ago when a forum member called blazer “Rolls-Royce” of the rifle.
Blazer have been notorious for that sort of blow ups maybe it’s the straight pull the Canadian straight pull Ross were equally or maybe little more notorious than blazers with their blowups.
I am little suspicious of the pictures on the website because some of them have been floating on internet with different stories.
Re: 15 lakhs ka boom
Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 9:06 pm
by MoA
Bespoke: No offense but have you shot a Blaser? Know anything about action stress?
Accidents do happen with every action and every weapon. It is a fact of life. Factory ammunition, just like hand loads can have variances. Barrels do get obstructed and do cause Kabooms.
The Ross was a bad design the R93 is a solid design. And yes I have shot a couple based on it. And yes I do own straight pulls, and shoot them without any worry of a Kaboom. The Blaser design is not notorious for blow ups. Get your facts right.
If I convert my .308 action to chamber .300 WM and have a kaboom, it is my fault. Not a design failure. (excluding the differences between a long action and a short action. It can still be done.)
Re: 15 lakhs ka boom
Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 9:33 pm
by Bespoke
MoA,
None taken. No I have never shot a Blazer and neither have any inclination of doing so.
The reports of blazer design faults are quiet regular and there are a lot of people including Lutz Moeller who think that there are issues with design of Blazers, I am not authority on Blazers to point out the faults but it’s obvious in his write up.
When I say notorious I don’t hear stories of Mauser98’s or CZ’s or Mannlicher’s for that matter IOF’s Clone’s “Kabooms” as often as Blazers .It is a fact.
Re: 15 lakhs ka boom
Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 3:42 pm
by MoA
BTW it is Blaser and not Blazer. Small point.
Lutz Moeller's 2004 article has been refuted time and time again. The rifles have been tested at 116000 psi, far above any cartridge spec, without any ill effects.
The R93 design is solid and forms the platform for an excellent rifle, else they would not be selling over 100K a year.
I would like to know your sources of numerous Kabooms on Blaser's that you refer to.
As far as Kaboom's go they happen with every make and model of weapon due to various issues. Most common being operator error.
In any case most of the reports about R93 accidents can be traced back to Mr. Moeller.. wonder what his motivation is.
Disclaimer: I have no interest in Blaser as a company, do not own one currently and couldnt care less. However my interest is that correct information is passed on. Rather than just heresay.
Re: 15 lakhs ka boom
Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 3:49 pm
by Vikram
With no dog in the fight(read argument), there are a lot of opinions that float around.Blaser has been around for sometime and has great reputation for their innovative and quality products.However, they also attract a lot of criticism. I really wonder how many of the detractors have shot them or handled them. I have not shot one. I held a few, including the .470 Hamid Duo double bolt rifle.That does not qualify me to pronounce authoritative statements on its quality.However, my reading and the opinions of the people who shot them have only good things to say about them. Many people have shot Blaser rifles on dangerous game in Africa without a problem.
Rifles blow up for variety of reasons and no rifle make is immune from barrel blocks and excessive pressures. Re-loading cartridges too 'hot', clogged barrels, fiddling with the rifle internals,user negligence- anything could be a reason.
One question- With the consumer protection laws in place and manufacturer's liability in Europe and North America, can a major manufacturer afford to sell a product that is defective in design and invite multi million Euros or $s in damages?
Please go thorough Moeller's allegations and Blaser's response. Each firearm produced by Blaser has to pass the proof test,BTW.
What exactly are these design defects in Blaser?I could not understand clearly from our members' posts and from the Moeller's link. Is it that they burst more frequently than other rifle makes? Is that the criticism?
Then, the Blaser has been demonstrated to withstand pressure much better than a few other rifles. Please check this very interesting test. A variety of rifles were tested- Howa, Blaser,Mannlicher, Tikka,Sako,Antonio Zoli, Browning and Remington. All rifles were .30/06 and all rifle barrels were blocked with a bullet under controlled conditions.
(If you use Google Chrome, it automatically translates the page for you.)
Now,if you still believe that Blasers are defective by design, I would like to see the facts, means some kind of enumeration of facts ( not the number of accidents.Accidents can happen for a number of reasons.) and empirical evidence. I am ready to be convinced. I am not rigid about my view. If they are defective they are defective.However, I have not come across convincing evidence. Will be thankful if there is any. Thanks.
Pistol powder in a rifle case is generally operator error. Especially outside of specific conditions, where the operator knows what he/she is doing.
Re: 15 lakhs ka boom
Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 9:37 pm
by winnie_the_pooh
MoA,
Probably the unconventional design causes concerns about the safety of such a system leading people to focus more on accidents with this particular rifle.Such accidents seem to be pretty rare though and probably a result of operator error.The pictures are pretty gruesome.
If and when I am able to import a rifle it would be a Sako TRG 22 in .308.If I win the lottery by then it will be a Unique Alpine TPG-1 in .308 win.Now if only I could find the energy to get off my lazy ass and start practicing for the Nationals.
Re: 15 lakhs ka boom
Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 9:44 pm
by Vikram
Can someone please tell me if it's ''15 lakhs or 22 lakhs ka boom''?
That would be a sweet ticket, to get the TRG or TPG.Start burning some powder.
Best-
Vikram
Re: 15 lakhs ka boom
Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 9:51 pm
by Bespoke
I am sorry for the typo. Sometimes German “s” is pronounced as English “z”, I am trying to learn German from Rosetta Stone CD’s hence the typo.
As I said I am no Authority on Blaser’s but some we cannot deny the “kabooms” Blaser has responded to one of the accidents but not others and If Lutz Moeller is one man army that doesn’t prove he is a scam.
It’s not mere hearsay for people who have had accidents with Blasers.
The verdict is still out like old saying where there's smoke there's fire.
Re: 15 lakhs ka boom
Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 10:05 pm
by Vikram
Bespoke wrote:
As I said I am no Authority on Blaser’s but some we cannot deny the “kabooms” Blaser has responded to one of the accidents but not others and If Lutz Moeller is one man army that doesn’t prove he is a scam.
It’s not mere hearsay for people who have had accidents with Blasers.
Bespoke, The accidents are real and the wounds are real.But, one needs to get straight why those accidents happened.
If the user messed up with the loads or the barrel was clogged, whose shortcoming is it?
That is not to say that firearms makers do not make mistakes.Actually Blaser addressed a few issues with their shotguns and rifles with their early models.They were not safety flaws or shortcomings,BTW.
You need to accept that if a rifle is potentially dangerous, it does not have a reason to go into market.Period.A company simply cannot afford to continue a rifle like that in the market.The penalties are severe.
