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micro grooves rifle barrel

Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 7:02 pm
by asmatpawle
Can any member of our forum enlighten the difference between the conventional rifle grooves and micro grooves of 30-0-06 rifle.

Re: micro grooves rifle barrel

Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 7:10 pm
by Katana
asmat,

Which make/ model of .30-06 are we talking about?

Re: micro grooves rifle barrel

Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:44 am
by asmatpawle
IOF 30-0-06 and Remington of USA

Re: micro grooves rifle barrel

Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:20 pm
by xl_target
I was under the impression that Microgroove was a trademark of the Marlin Firearms Company.
I'm not aware that Remington uses microgrooves in their barrels.

Here's Wikipedia on Microgroove rifling:
n 1953 Marlin Firearms was issued U.S. Patent 3,100,358 for what was named MicroGroove Rifling, which was a departure from the standard "Ballard," or cut rifling. One purpose of Microgroove Rifling was to increase the speed of producing rifle barrels.
Microgroove rifling is described in the patent as having 5 grooves for every 1/10th of an inch bore diameter, and that the driving side of each land would be "tangentially disposed" to prevent accumulating fouling in use.
Marlin introduced Microgroove rifling in their .22 rimfire barrels in July 1953, with 16 grooves that were .014" wide, and nominally .0015" deep. Ballard Rifled barrels have grooves generally in the range of .069-.090" wide, and .0015-.003" deep. This change was marketed in the 1954 Marlin catalog, as having numerous advantages that this new form of rifling had, including better accuracy, ease of cleaning, elimination of gas leakage, higher velocities and lower chamber pressures. The catalog also claimed that Microgroove Rifling did not distort the bullet jacket as deeply as Ballard Rifling hence improving accuracy with jacketed bullets at standard velocity.
Designed for factory loaded ammunition, Microgroove barrels have a reputation for accuracy problems with centerfire ammunition handloaded with cast lead bullets due to the increased bore diameter generated by the shallow grooves. Use of oversized cast bullets has great effect on solving this problem, restoring accuracy with cast bullet handloads to levels seen from Ballard Rifled barrels.[4] Early Marlin .30-30 microgroove barrels had a twist rate of 1 turn in 10 inches optimized for factory ammunition with jacketed bullets; later Marlin .30-30 microgroove barrels show a twist rate of 1 turn in 10.5 inches which improves accuracy with cartridges loaded to lower velocity than standard.
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Re: micro grooves rifle barrel

Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 2:10 pm
by timmy
Marlin used to compare its Microgroove barrels to artillery, which does have many lands and grooves, which are small in comparison with the bore. I do wonder whether they selected this sort of rifling because it gave acceptable accuracy, while not causing so much wear to the barrel rifling machine tools, given that the grooves aren't as deep as those in conventional barrels.

It's interesting to note that Remington, Marlin, and Harrington & Richardson are all owned by the same company, Cerberus, which has been noted as one of those outfits that purchase companies, gobbling them up to sell their assets. They were part of the Chrysler ownership, having a large part of the stock after Daimler Benz sold it. This ended with the Fiat deal.

Anyhow, despite Marlin and Remington being under the same corporate umbrella, I do not believe Remington uses Microgroove barrels, as SL noted.

Re: micro grooves rifle barrel

Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2010 8:14 pm
by asmatpawle
Thanks a lot for imformation.