"THE EMPEROR" .375 H&H Magnum

[eljefe]

Z,
A 320Gr Woodleigh cupped point solid in 9.3 far surpasses the standard 270 or 300 gr 375 in penetration and effect.
Good every once in a while, there's something worthwhile

-- Wed Dec 22, 2010 5:11 pm --

No question, the .375 H&H is a great cartridge. However......the claim that the .375 will shoot every weight bullet to the same point of aim (unlike rifles chambered for other rounds) was made by H&H solely for the flanged version, and doubles. And different ballistics from the belted case. None the less, every idiot American gun writer writing about the .375 will repeat this, claiming that his .375 (if indeed he has one) will shoot all bullet weights, at velocities quite different from the original ones, into the same group. Regardless of caliber, some rifles can and will group different bullet weights at different velocities together, others won't. The stiffer the barrel, the more likely. There is nothing magic about the .375 H&H. Neither my Winchester M70, my Brno, nor my Ross M1910 straight-pull in .375 H&H will "shoot all bullet weights into the same group". Unless you think that 6" is an acceptable group at 100 yds. Though it would be for a double shot over open sights at 80 yds with different bullet weights.

The paragraph dealing with the 9.3x64 is pure hogwash.

Why .275 and not just 7x57 Mauser? The Boers used that one. Painful memories.

The difference between the .270 WCF and the 7x57? 200 feet per second. Almost none when loaded to the same pressure.

IOF quotes 1975 fps for the .315. The original Austrian, and E-K, was 2025 fps or so, from a longer barrel. When handloading, 2200 fps is easily possible with the 244 grain bullet.

Thanks, Walt
I have it on good authority-Mine- that a 223 would group 62-63gr FMJ at 100m about 1/2 inch, and throw 75 gr Amax all over the target.
That part about shooting all weights at same POI? certainly deserves to be laid to ungracious rest.
Pity about the 315 doing1915fps, if only it was a wee bit more, like my fantasy 2200, a goodly thump at 2600fpe would be more desirable.

[Amit357]

Hi Guys, Hemingway when shooing in Africa said that the American concept of smaller bores for big game shooting might work in the States,but here in Africa the 375 Mag is the smallest caliber one can use on the then common dangerous game ( The Great African Lion),Teddy Roosevelt corrected Mr Hemingway a cpl of year later shooting a lot of lion with the 30-06 using the 220 Grns Remington cartridge,he had sent a telegram to Mr Hemingway confirming the same but Mr Hemingway refused to reply, the Brits have some soft feeling for Mighty Big Caliber,like using 404 for Axix deer,Chinkaras,blue bulls and even Black Bucks in India after the 450 was not allowed to be used by commoners (before that they were using the 450s),I personally would be a KARMOJA WALTHER BELLs fan who said " 10 GRAINS IN THE RIGHT PLACE ARE BETTER THEN --------------------------------" Amit

[Risala]

Amit
The Teddy's & Bells's are the exception rather than the rule...
Easier said then done when it comes to shot placement for the regular bloke who heads that side...
I think the Africans got it right with the restriction of 375 plus for dangerous game.... at the end of the day in sport you want a clean and worthy shot....which does the job effectively in a sort of humane way
cheers

[MoA]

Wow I wonder why no one in BR shoots the .375 since it can put all bullets including those of differing weight into the same hole.

Seriously in an Indian or in 99% of the scenario's what on earth are you going to use one for?

[Amit357]

Hi Sanjay,the maximum dangerous game in India and Africa was accounted not by 375s or up.In India maximum maneating tigers and leopards were shot by guys with Flint Locks and Muzzle loader which didnt know the concept of Foot Pound and M Vs,in Africa lions/cape buffs were taken by Spears etc,Africa is right in putting 375 Mag as minimum,(there was a bare minimum in India for tiger shooting which again was a 375 or any rifle which has a minimum ME of 2500 foot pound at 100 Yrds) for God only knows who is gonna be shooting.PHs carry them because they have to routinely deal with charging animals and at time that also doesnt work, 50-100 lives are lost there every year hunting.Again like Bells said 10 grains in the right place----------------,i still am a fan of that,i could be wrong,but thats me

[shooter]

Hi Guys, Hemingway when shooing in Africa said that the American concept of smaller bores for big game shooting might work in the States,but here in Africa the 375 Mag is the smallest caliber one can use on the then common dangerous game ( The Great African Lion),Teddy Roosevelt corrected Mr Hemingway a cpl of year later shooting a lot of lion with the 30-06 using the 220 Grns Remington cartridge,he had sent a telegram to Mr Hemingway confirming the same but Mr Hemingway refused to reply,

The Teddy's & Bells's are the exception rather than the rule...

Please dont compare bell with ted.

Ted, did a lot for wildlife, national forests etc but was not a good shot esp in africa.

The african safari was witnessed by many journalists and so its well documented that he took unsafe shots, shots at ranges much beyond his capabilities and shot poorly, missed and wounded quite a bit.

He had many PH's backing him up, dozens of minor hunters and trackers.

[Vikram]

Shooter is spot on. Much as I like Teddy, he was a poor shot and near blind in one eye in his later years.

Best-
Vikram

[TwoRivers]

Yes, by all accounts Teddy was a "happy shooter", but not a very good one. BTW, Teddy died in 1919, Hemingway was born in 1899. An exchange of letters regarding African hunting experience seems spurious. Hemingway, accordingly, must have hunted Africa at a very tender age, before WWI; about the same time as Teddy.

[Vikram]

Well pointed out,TwoRivers.Never heard of the exchanges between Hemingway and Teddy.

Best-
Vikram

[shooter]

another urban legend

[Amit357]

Hi Vikram,Shooter,the above mentioned issues between Teddy & Hemingway was narrated to us way back in 1973 when i was 9 by the Security Officer to the US Embassy who was a relative of Teddy,i would admit it was over large Black Labels in a Dak Bangla near Haridwar looking for a cattle lifting tiger,the S.O was a very keen Shikari and had a Rem 06,with which he planned to knock off the Tiger.my father who was a great fan of the Brits had a 375 and he was telling the S O that 7.62 MM holes are gonna be very small compared to what Stripes was gonna do if he got hold off Mr S.O.Any way i would like to Submit the following;
The True Emperor till date
The 30-06 from 55 Grns-220Grns MV & ME i think most of us would know,the 375 is like the British Monarchy had its uses, was very powerful,but for the present day USELESS,i offer my apology for stepping on any toes,the Prince of all the Calibers THE 22s form the humble 22 Short to the 220 Swift,and then some the 22-250,your comments would be highly appreciated

[Vikram]

Emperors,Sultans, princelings or humble foot soldiers.They all got their uses.Horses for courses is what they say.Shoot them all and enjoy.

[z375]

Seriously in an Indian or in 99% of the scenario's what on earth are you going to use one for?

Need, has precious little to do with it.