MY MAUSER MADE IN GERMANY .32 PISTOL LOOKS LIKE WALTHER PP

[jkgdxb]

MY MAUSER MADE IN GERMANY .32 PISTOL LOOKS LIKE WALTHER PP CAN AY BODY TELL ME IS IT ORG.AND I WANT A SPARE MAGAZINE FOR THE SAME
LET ME KNOW IF AVAILABLE. TNX

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[MoA]

WITHOUT PICTURES NOT POSSIBLE. SPARE MAGAZINE.. NO IDEA.

PLEASE SPELL WORDS OUT, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY do not type in capitals.

[cottage cheese]

Probably a Mauser HSC.... please do not shout.

[ravizz]

Probably a Mauser HSC.... please do not shout.

no buddy its not a mauser hsc .Regards Ravi

[timmy]

I don't know exactly what you have there. But I can tell you what I think:

I think that the weapon is PP sized -- a copy of a Walther PP

I think that the frame is aluminum, not steel, and is painted.

I think that the magazine release, when viewed from the right hand side of the gun, looks more like a FEG PA-63, which did/does have an aluminum frame.

I think that Walther wasn't making PP pistols post WW2; that they were made by France by Manurhin.

I think that most stuff made in Germany before the Wall came down would be stamped, "Made in West Germany," not "Made in Germany," like yours is.

I think that the skewed second line of stamping on the left side of the frame looks suspicious.

So I'm not exactly sure what you've got there, but my suspicion is that it wasn't made by Walther or Mauser, nor was it made in Germany. But like I said, these are only opinions.

[cottage cheese]

no buddy its not a mauser hsc .Regards Ravi

Ah! That was before the photos were posted.

After seeing the pics I'm pretty sure it is a Hungarian made Walther PP Clone by FEG (Fegyver es Gazkeszuelekgyara) - I'd say its either a GRP-3 or an RL-61 from among 10 variants of the PP/PPK they made with cryptic names like Femaru Walam M1948, AP7, AP9, GRP, GRP2, GRP3, GRP9, R-61, RL-61 and R78... all derived from the basic Walther PP/PPK design.

How come its marked Mauser?
- well...they had a tidy arrangement with Mauser back then. Mauser imported and marketed them in Europe for them. Don't be surprised if you come across a Browning High Power with Mauser roll marks... these are again from FEG (P9 series) and marketed under the same arrangement by Mauser as the P90.

Incidentally, last week a cop showed me a confiscated S&W/Browning hybrid 9mm Pistol marked Mauser... Again this is an FEG P9R Double action- Mauser marketed it as the P90DA . Nice piece. I liked it.... Here's a picture I took then....



regards,
cc

[SARGE7402]

CC's right on the money. FEG has made/marked quite a number of very close copies of the Walther PP/PPK series pistols. And he is correct that the marking on them can be all over the place. We've had quite a number of these nice little .32 caliber PP sized weapons show up on Gunbroker.com and AuctionArms.com at very reasonable prices. Frames vary from Aluminum to steel and calibers from .22 LR to 9x18 Makarov.

[jkgdxb]

How come its marked Mauser?

DEAR CC
i have found one more similar stuff in one german site but am not able to read pics for the same am attachng any information pls post
and thanks for your kind information.

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[Vikram]

Thanks Tim,CC&Sarge,

For the edification.Learnt a couple of things today.

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You seemed to have missed what CC wrote in his reply above.

CC wrote:

How come its marked Mauser?
- well...they had a tidy arrangement with Mauser back then. Mauser imported and marketed them in Europe for them. Don't be surprised if you come across a Browning High Power with Mauser roll marks... these are again from FEG (P9 series) and marketed under the same arrangement by Mauser as the P90.

Best-
Vikram

[Sakobav]

jkgdxb

Great gun so how did you acquire it? It will be interesting to know about it if possible do share it

Cheers

[cottage cheese]

They are certainly FEG products- one thing, though, that's got me stumped is the GSM monogram...For a moment I thought it was marked by the US importer Gun South...but again Gun South is GSI(Gun South International)...anyone shed light on this?

regards,
cc

[weapon247]

congrats please share the price you bought it for!

[ven99]

nice pic ....
amreeth

[xl_target]

I think Timmy had a valid point here. It should have been marked "Made in West Germany". Only items manufactured in Germany after 1990 would be marked "Made in Germany"
While it is possible that it was imported after German unification, if it is indeed an FEG product sold under the Mauser name, shouldn't it be marked "Made in Hungary"?

[cottage cheese]

I think Timmy had a valid point here. It should have been marked "Made in West Germany". Only items manufactured in Germany after 1990 would be marked "Made in Germany"
While it is possible that it was imported after German unification, if it is indeed an FEG product sold under the Mauser name, shouldn't it be marked "Made in Hungary"?

Actually, xl, that's the uniqueness of the arrangement between the two manufacturers - FEG arms marketed by Mauser are marked Mauser either with the Mauser monogram or 'GSM' ... perhaps Mauser wanted to market affordable pieces under its name, just like the Holland&Holland Dominion series which was actually built by Webley&Scott. FEG probably would have been happy with the revenues alone... practical chaps, since anyone would love to sell legally under the Mauser branding.

As regards the West Germany or just Germany, it's probable the arrangement continued after unification if the markings show simply "Made in Germany".... of course, not to put the current owner in an uncomfortable position, but if its a post-unification piece(1989-90), it would be interesting to know how it entered the country after the '86 import ban... ...probably TR or probably a confiscated piece, then allotted...

Here's some general info on a similar FEG piece, though its in 9mm Makarov and 380ACP and not connected to Mauser... http://www.makarov.com/others/index.html

regards,
cc