Indians For Guns

Gentlemen,

Kindly compare the two NIB pistols for self defense ( close range) in terms of :-

1. Size and daily concealed carry in Indian ( hot ) climate.

2. Quality and built

3. Easy Chambering and NO jams

4. Dependability

5. Cost of ammo

6. Easy plinking stuff without burning a hole in the pocket.

7. No need to modify/alter the firearm or always use imported ammo.

8. Please do not compare the .25 and .32 ammo and ballistics. We all know about it .

9. Kindly consider firing only 4-5 shots .

best,

RP.

i would prefer the.32 as .25 ammo is strictly limited to imported ammo and pretty old stock in most of cases.just a personal opinion

Whats up Doc?

Dilemma I guess heart says Baby Browning and reality dictates Ishani.

based on http://pistolsmith.com/viewtopic.php?t=16203

Go with Ashani after all its clone of browning design then pay a visit to that Gunsmith in Patiala.

Best

Not much point in comparing the two.

The Ashani would be the more sensible route if you're not too particular about quality.

.32 Ammo is readily available - .25 isn't
.32 performs a wee bit better -ballistics wise- obviously its a bigger round(Ok I disregarded your request on this )
The Ashani being of a slightly more 'regular' size and build affords better user control in terms ergonomics and accuracy.

I assume all Ashanis come plated- which should be a plus for most Indians.

Though I love IOF bashing, the Ashani, most times, performs adequately in terms of reliablilty and perhaps medeocre accuracy. Its size and build also lends it self to a reasonable amount of rework.

Baby Brownings, were designed for business across the table top- Why anyone can consider it a plinker of any kind is funny.

The baby browning, while a glamorous piece of hardware, is essentially a pocket pistol...albeit a really small one. A lot of things are compromised as a result- accuracy, ergonomics, power etc. I personally despise tiny pistols.

Incidentally, (going OT) does any one know of Baby Brownings that were in service in the Delhi Police (and perhaps other polices forces)?

cottage cheese";p="60180 wrote: Baby Brownings that were in service in the Delhi Police (and perhaps other polices forces)?

In service with Delhi police ??? What on earth for ?


RP

The Doc";p="60188 wrote:

cottage cheese";p="60180 wrote: Baby Brownings that were in service in the Delhi Police (and perhaps other polices forces)?

In service with Delhi police ??? What on earth for ?


RP

Beats me too... apparently featherheads in the establishment are more prolific than previously thought

I found this out only last week. Was flipping through the Delhi Police coffee table book and the FN .25 pistol is listed among the arms that have seen use in the DP. They have a photo of it as well.

strange.

The IOF Ashani would be my pick, more and enough reasons have already been enumerated (by others) above...

Incidentally a medium sized .22 LR pistol which can safely handle high/ hyper velocity ammo (not all of them can), would be better than both. Relatively cheap local KF ammo for plinking, combined with decent ballistics if you are using stingers, mini-mags, yellow jackets etc. for self defence.

Cheers!
Abhijeet

CC,many years ago in Bangalore, I KNEW (for a lack of a better term) a SHO in who bought a 25 flip top for 6k and actually took permission to carry it to work,not as a back up, but instead of, his.38!
This was before Godzilla,and the size matters mantra...

eljefe";p="60233 wrote:CC,many years ago in Bangalore, I KNEW (for a lack of a better term) a SHO in who bought a 25 flip top for 6k and actually took permission to carry it to work,not as a back up, but instead of, his.38!
This was before Godzilla,and the size matters mantra...

haha! Thats pretty amusing. Wonder what the cop would've done with his really 'cool' .25 if he were transplanted in Mumbai on the night of Nov.26th....

mundaire";p="60200 wrote:The IOF Ashani would be my pick, more and enough reasons have already been enumerated (by others) above...

Incidentally a medium sized .22 LR pistol which can safely handle high/ hyper velocity ammo (not all of them can), would be better than both. Relatively cheap local KF ammo for plinking, combined with decent ballistics if you are using stingers, mini-mags, yellow jackets etc. for self defence.

Cheers!
Abhijeet

Hi Abhijeet,

Always found it a bit odd that other than the IOF .22 revolver and a sprinkling of High Standards, there are so few .22 hand guns in circulation. It would have been ideal for most Indians.

mundaire";p="60200 wrote: Incidentally a medium sized .22 LR pistol which can safely handle high/ hyper velocity ammo (not all of them can), would be better than both.

Thanks Abhijeet, I think you are very right , tell me can a "High standard" .22LR pistol safely fire high velocity ammo?

cottage cheese";p="60247 wrote: Wonder what the cop would've done with his really 'cool' .25 if he were transplanted in Mumbai on the night of Nov.26th....

Well, for that matter what could he have done with a .38 on that particular night ?

best,

RP.

Abhjeet,

I was reading up about the chambering of a .22 round VS .25 round. According to that, a .22 round has more chances of jamming because of its length and the rim where as the .25 round being shorter and not as "rimmy" , is prone to less jams as far as the jamming due to bullets go.

I have no personal experience regarding this , I am just quoting what I read . Whats your take on that?

best ,

RP.

hi doc

as far as my personal experience counts,you mostly come across misfires with .22 in handguns.i think jamming wouldnt occur in a decent handgun with well fed ammo.just a personal opinion

The Doc";p="60267 wrote: Abhjeet,

I was reading up about the chambering of a .22 round VS .25 round. According to that, a .22 round has more chances of jamming because of its length and the rim where as the .25 round being shorter and not as "rimmy" , is prone to less jams as far as the jamming due to bullets go.

I have no personal experience regarding this , I am just quoting what I read . Whats your take on that?

best ,

RP.

I have been shooting a .22 semi for a while now and if you keep it clean inside even KF ammo will function flawlessly.

dev

The Doc";p="60254 wrote: Well, for that matter what could he have done with a .38 on that particular night ?

o well now that you mention it... I suppose even minimi armed cops might have had problems in that circumstances.