Imported Pistol/Revolver in 5 lakh Budget

[netwit]

I am looking to buy an imported revolver/pistol in the Budget of 5 Lakhs. I live in North India and can buy from any of Northern States including Delhi.

Kindly let me know what I options I have in budget of 5 Lakhs only

Thanks in advance

[chicky]

Dear nitwit,

I would like to dissuade you to buy imported, as most of the imported weapons in India are those prior to 1984 and are still very expensive. Indian Companies have very recently collaborated with International Companies like the Smith & Wesson , Tauras and some Indian Companies like the Malhotrasons have launched wonderful and dependable products in Calibres .45 and .32
Please do reconsider the 'Made in India' , they might just surprise you with their quality.

All the best

Chicky

[chicky]

A short video of the Taurus to help make up your mind, maybe ?

[Vineet]

Dear nitwit,

I would like to dissuade you to buy imported, as most of the imported weapons in India are those prior to 1984 and are still very expensive. Indian Companies have very recently collaborated with International Companies like the Smith & Wesson , Tauras and some Indian Companies like the Malhotrasons have launched wonderful and dependable products in Calibres .45 and .32
Please do reconsider the 'Made in India' , they might just surprise you with their quality.

All the best

Chicky

+1

Weapons imported prior to 1984 are 80-90 years old be it CZ, Colt, Smith, Webley. New Taurus, MSD are much better than them.

[timmy]

These are interesting points of view. I listen and I look, but I do have to go with what I have in my hand and in my safe.

I maintain that a gun's true worth is what it is worth to you. Some people spent vast sums of money on handguns with all sorts of features, but they are not worth that amount of money to me. Conversely, I have spent money on guns that I like that others would not be interested in buying. If a gun is what you think you need or what you want and the value of it is worth it to you, then there you have your answer.

I have two Colt double action 38 specials, one made in 1916 and the other in 1920. They are both in perfect working order. Obviously, they were purchased used, as they are quite a bit older than I am. I have a pair of CZs, one made in the early 50s and one probably in the mid to late 70s. Both operate perfectly, and until the beginning of last year, the CZ70 was my everyday carry gun. I have a Smith & Wesson that I inherited -- I began to shoot it in my school days. My Colt 1911 Series 70 shoots quite nicely and without a problem.

I might mention that, while not a handgun, my Marlin 22 is as old as I am and still shoots as well as any 22 rifle I've seen, and I've been out shooting with quite a few people since I bought it 55 years ago.

As far as looks go, the bluing on my Colts is real bluing, not the chemical "blacking" applied to Smith and Wessons and Rugers, or the paint or Cerracote used on new guns.

Having said all of this, i see the term "much better" used in this thread. I have not seen, handled, or shot an MSD, so I won't comment on that. I have heard good things about them, but that is all: heard good things. I don't know anything of my own personal knowledge. But Taurus? Much better than my 100+ year Colts or other guns? There are many Taurus firearms in the gun counters I browse, and frankly, I know better than to make a "much better" comparison between them and what I have and shoot. They are not particularly well regarded in the circles I visit, either for quality or reliability, which is why they occupy the lower end of the market.

I cannot agree with the views expressed as advice to the OP.

[Vineet]

There are very few guns lovers in India who maintain their weapons well. For a 80-90 year old weapon to be in good condition it requires at least two weapon loving generations which is something not seen often here in India.

This old pistol will require new set of springs, which are not available here

Ofcourse there are exceptions but overall I am saying that its better to go will Taurus, Msd then to go for 80-90 year old third hand weapon.

[timmy]

Vineet, I must reject the logic you have put forward. Let me enumerate the ways this is so:

1.

There are very few guns lovers in India who maintain their weapons well.

This is not a statement of fact, but an impression. Even if we were to take a survey and collect the data showing this statement was true, it still does not change the fact that some weapons ARE taken care of and ARE in good shape. We know this because members occasionally post pictures of such guns, and assuming that the OP doesn't want to buy junk, this is what he is asking about.

2.

For a 80-90 year old weapon to be in good condition it requires at least two weapon loving generations which is something not seen often here in India.

This is the second time you have posted these figures. I wonder what arithmetic you use to say that imported guns are 80-90 years old, when imports stopped in 1984, which is 41 years ago, or half the time you are portraying imported guns to be. Why do you feel the need to exaggerate?

As I have said, I have guns this old and older, and it may well be that some have been owned by more than "two loving generations," yet they are still in fine working order.

Again, whether this is seen often or not in India or anywhere else isn't the point: the OP is looking for a serviceable weapon, not a piece of junk.

3.

This old pistol will require new set of springs, which are not available here

Why is this so, and what data do you have to support this? My used guns show no such replacement of springs. Besides, the old Colts have flat mainsprings, which you have advised members to seek, because they have a smoother feel (which I do agree with). What new guns have such flat mainsprings today? This is not to say that coil springs are unreliable, as the oldest gun I own,a Martini Henry from the 1880s, has a coil mainspring and is in fine working order.

In the 56 years I have personally owned guns, I have only had to replace two magazine springs on my CZ70, and no others.

I suggest that the OP should find a gun that doesn't habitually need new parts and new springs in the first place, and that would apply to any gun, whether new or old.

4.

Ofcourse there are exceptions but overall I am saying that its better to go will Taurus, Msd then to go for 80-90 year old third hand weapon.

Well, it is just such exceptions the OP has asked about, not other options or suggestions.

Yes, I know that you are saying to buy a Taurus, but I disagree with you. I went over to the sporting goods store that I regularly shop at yesterday to asked the head salesman at the counter about these guns, which as I said before, are in his counter. I asked about reliability. He was reluctant to answer me directly, but he did offer two observations: First, he said that law enforcement and military police customers chose Sig, Glock, and Smith & Wesson firearms, and not Taurus firearms, and second, he would be OK personally for buying a Taurus for shooting at the range and plinking, but in a dark alley with his life on the line, he'd want something else. Everyone must make their own choice on these sorts of things.

5.
The main point is this: The OP has made a choice, and he is asking about imported firearms availability at a certain price point. Not a single reply to his request has furnished him with any useful information regarding his question. It seems that some think that he is misguided and perhaps doesn't know what he wants. I assume that he does know what he wants, and I think there is good reason for him to want what he wants. I hope that some members will come along and furnish the information he requests, rather than try to talk him into something else.

Can't we just answer his question?

[maniksachdeva]

Hi!

If you are looking for a completely imported and thus reliable weapon under 5 Lakhs budget the right answer is Kiehberg 1911 Sub Compact which is 100% imported product, imported by Syndicate Innovations International Ltd Ghaziabad in collaboration with Girsan Turkey.
Some features of this weapon are:
1. 100% components imported from Girsan Turkey which has a big presence in US market and is the recepient of Handgun of the Year award by American Rifleman association in Shot Show Las Vegas USA.Other than USA they have been exporting to more than 55 countries
2. Girsan is also the chosen weapon of Turkish armed forces as well as Malaysian armed forces.
3. Magazines of Kiehberg 1911 SC are sourced from ACT Mag Italy, hence no jamming and a smooth experience guarenteed
4. the company is offering lifetime warranty as well as 10,000 accurate shots guarantee
5. comes with a very beautiful Negrini Italy leather gun case as well.

If you want to go for a reliable and imported weapon in Brand new like condition then its a very tough ask to get it under 5 lakhs. and rest assured there is no way of knowing in second hand weapons what parts are rebuilt by armourers in India, what kind of firing history it has, which parts are original and which are rebuilt by country armourers. If you find brand new like weapon with all parts original then that would cost you above 10 lakhs which is definitely not worth it now after Girsan Launch in India.

[timmy]

If you want to go for a reliable and imported weapon in Brand new like condition then its a very tough ask to get it under 5 lakhs. and rest assured there is no way of knowing in second hand weapons what parts are rebuilt by armourers in India, what kind of firing history it has, which parts are original and which are rebuilt by country armourers. If you find brand new like weapon with all parts original then that would cost you above 10 lakhs which is definitely not worth it now after Girsan Launch in India.

Hello, Mr. maniksachdeva. Your broken record responses of this gun as the solution to the world's problems are becoming tiresome. I am wondering whether this is going to be your response to a member who needs a tool to change a flat tire on his car.

It is recongnized that it is a "Very tough ask" to find an imported gun for 5 lakhs. That's why the OP has asked for help to do so. Why don't you answer the OP's question if you can, rather than asserting that your favorite gun will work well as a can opener? In other words, as a new poster here, why don't you contribute some worth while content, rather than fanboy cheering?

[casual shooter]

Timmy,
It seems he has some interest in the promotion of this gun... I may be wrong, but the way he has been pitching this hybrid gun across the forum, although it is a very costly proposition, 4.95 is a very high price for this gun. Yes, but India is a rich country where people have disposable money to spend on guns (caliber) they do not need. Basically, the procurement or use of guns can be divided into 3-4 basic requirements: EDC, home defense, range practice, and last but not least, show-off or peer impression or pressure. so first decide your need and then ask.

[Grok47]

Manik , Your Gun is way costlier than market. It should be under 2.5 Laks. Best wishes tho this is not a right thread for your advertisement bro.

Hi!

If you are looking for a completely imported and thus reliable weapon under 5 Lakhs budget the right answer is Kiehberg 1911 Sub Compact which is 100% imported product, imported by Syndicate Innovations International Ltd Ghaziabad in collaboration with Girsan Turkey.
Some features of this weapon are:
1. 100% components imported from Girsan Turkey which has a big presence in US market and is the recepient of Handgun of the Year award by American Rifleman association in Shot Show Las Vegas USA.Other than USA they have been exporting to more than 55 countries
2. Girsan is also the chosen weapon of Turkish armed forces as well as Malaysian armed forces.
3. Magazines of Kiehberg 1911 SC are sourced from ACT Mag Italy, hence no jamming and a smooth experience guarenteed
4. the company is offering lifetime warranty as well as 10,000 accurate shots guarantee
5. comes with a very beautiful Negrini Italy leather gun case as well.

If you want to go for a reliable and imported weapon in Brand new like condition then its a very tough ask to get it under 5 lakhs. and rest assured there is no way of knowing in second hand weapons what parts are rebuilt by armourers in India, what kind of firing history it has, which parts are original and which are rebuilt by country armourers. If you find brand new like weapon with all parts original then that would cost you above 10 lakhs which is definitely not worth it now after Girsan Launch in India.

[dsingh]

regards to all my friends main important factor is gun must fire even cheap RFI pistol mark 2 and IOF revolver Nishhank at cheapest rates r gggiving wonderful performance but only drawbacks r pistol is single action and revolver is top break .Most important factor why u need pistol for self defence or for shooting sport.

[netwit]

Dear nitwit,

I would like to dissuade you to buy imported, as most of the imported weapons in India are those prior to 1984 and are still very expensive. Indian Companies have very recently collaborated with International Companies like the Smith & Wesson , Tauras and some Indian Companies like the Malhotrasons have launched wonderful and dependable products in Calibres .45 and .32
Please do reconsider the 'Made in India' , they might just surprise you with their quality.

All the best

Chicky

+1

Weapons imported prior to 1984 are 80-90 years old be it CZ, Colt, Smith, Webley. New Taurus, MSD are much better than them.

Thanks Vineet ji

[netwit]

These are interesting points of view. I listen and I look, but I do have to go with what I have in my hand and in my safe.

I maintain that a gun's true worth is what it is worth to you. Some people spent vast sums of money on handguns with all sorts of features, but they are not worth that amount of money to me. Conversely, I have spent money on guns that I like that others would not be interested in buying. If a gun is what you think you need or what you want and the value of it is worth it to you, then there you have your answer.

I have two Colt double action 38 specials, one made in 1916 and the other in 1920. They are both in perfect working order. Obviously, they were purchased used, as they are quite a bit older than I am. I have a pair of CZs, one made in the early 50s and one probably in the mid to late 70s. Both operate perfectly, and until the beginning of last year, the CZ70 was my everyday carry gun. I have a Smith & Wesson that I inherited -- I began to shoot it in my school days. My Colt 1911 Series 70 shoots quite nicely and without a problem.

I might mention that, while not a handgun, my Marlin 22 is as old as I am and still shoots as well as any 22 rifle I've seen, and I've been out shooting with quite a few people since I bought it 55 years ago.

As far as looks go, the bluing on my Colts is real bluing, not the chemical "blacking" applied to Smith and Wessons and Rugers, or the paint or Cerracote used on new guns.

Having said all of this, i see the term "much better" used in this thread. I have not seen, handled, or shot an MSD, so I won't comment on that. I have heard good things about them, but that is all: heard good things. I don't know anything of my own personal knowledge. But Taurus? Much better than my 100+ year Colts or other guns? There are many Taurus firearms in the gun counters I browse, and frankly, I know better than to make a "much better" comparison between them and what I have and shoot. They are not particularly well regarded in the circles I visit, either for quality or reliability, which is why they occupy the lower end of the market.

I cannot agree with the views expressed as advice to the OP.

Thanks Timmy Sir

[Vineet]

This is the second time you have posted these figures. I wonder what arithmetic you use to say that imported guns are 80-90 years old, when imports stopped in 1984, which is 41 years ago, or half the time you are portraying imported guns to be. Why do you feel the need to exaggerate?

I am not exaggerating. Goggle tells me Colt 1903 was made till 1945, CZ 27 was made till 1950, Mauser c96 was made till 1937.