Malhotrasons 1911 shooting in India! .45 ACP Guardian MSD-45

[dsen]

[asifalikhanasif]

waiting for a long time to hear some good news on private manufacturers, now expecting some good moves in next couple of months.

[Vineet]

Looks good, hope they keep price within reach of common man.

[Woods]

Well , it does look like a 1911 . An Indian Kimber .

[winnie_the_pooh]

It fires but how well does it shoot?

[Woods]

It will shoot with all desi jalwas. More probable than not , it will come with its own set of quirks , like 007 written somewhere .

[timmy]

Showing the target might be a concept.

What, exactly, does putting a pistol in a plastic washbasin for a few minutes and then shooting it prove?

[revolver]

Showing the target might be a concept.

What, exactly, does putting a pistol in a plastic washbasin for a few minutes and then shooting it prove?

Exactly! Also the poor safety practices by the firer of instinctively placing his finger on the trigger while removing the gun from the tub does not in-still confidence in the brand/company.

[asifalikhanasif]

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[rahulbdelhi]

Surprised that the pistol is being manufactured for 45 ACP which is very rare in India. 32 ACP would have been a better choice IMHO

[miroflex]

Surprised that the pistol is being manufactured for 45 ACP which is very rare in India. 32 ACP would have been a better choice IMHO

Hi Rahul,

If a pistol chambering the .45 ACP cartridge comes on the market, can the cartridge be far behind? Let us hope not. Supply follows demand. There was a long felt need for a more powerful handgun than one shooting the .32 ACP round. .45 ACP is a good choice for the civilian market, considering that 9mm is restricted to the police and armed forces.

Regards.

[timmy]

Surprised that the pistol is being manufactured for 45 ACP which is very rare in India. 32 ACP would have been a better choice IMHO

If a pistol chambering the .45 ACP cartridge comes on the market, can the cartridge be far behind? Let us hope not. Supply follows demand. There was a long felt need for a more powerful handgun than one shooting the .32 ACP round. .45 ACP is a good choice for the civilian market, considering that 9mm is restricted to the police and armed forces.

Nobody will catch me finding fault with the choice of 45 Automatic! It is truly a fine round. Has it been noticed that the rim diameter of the case is the same as 30-06: 12mm? (This was, in turn, "borrowed" from the German 7.92x57mm.)

My first question along these lines is, who will make the new cartridge, or indeed, any new cartridges? If what I hear on these forums about IOF quality and their ammunition, isn't another ammunition maker or two needed?

Secondly, Regarding the pictures of the pistol itself, what is depicted certainly looks very nice. I think that there are good reasons for selecting the 1911 design for manufacture. Firstly, it is a proven design. Secondly, it is still relevant as a useful design, 110 years later. Thirdly, it will give a manufacturer a lot of learning in production, which will hopefully support other models successfully in the future.

My concern with these pictures, as well as those of people firing at a bank of dirt or a target that cannot be seen, is that there's so much more to a gun than what can be seen. A fine finish and good appearance is something that's obtainable by informal manufacture, as well as performance that allows the gun to go "bang" a few times.

What about the heat treatment of parts, and the quality of the springs? How about the function of the firing system (e.g., does it have a good trigger?). How does it compare with other 1911 products for accuracy and reliability to feed?

[AgentDoubleS]

Another reason I can think of why this is a good design choice, Timmy, is that this design has no intellectual property assigned to it. It’s like a life saving drug’s patent expiring after 20 years- the pharmaceutical company frets- much to the delight of generic drug makers and consumers!

[KDS991213]

Surprised that the pistol is being manufactured for 45 ACP which is very rare in India. 32 ACP would have been a better choice IMHO

If a pistol chambering the .45 ACP cartridge comes on the market, can the cartridge be far behind? Let us hope not. Supply follows demand. There was a long felt need for a more powerful handgun than one shooting the .32 ACP round. .45 ACP is a good choice for the civilian market, considering that 9mm is restricted to the police and armed forces.

Nobody will catch me finding fault with the choice of 45 Automatic! It is truly a fine round. Has it been noticed that the rim diameter of the case is the same as 30-06: 12mm? (This was, in turn, "borrowed" from the German 7.92x57mm.)

My first question along these lines is, who will make the new cartridge, or indeed, any new cartridges? If what I hear on these forums about IOF quality and their ammunition, isn't another ammunition maker or two needed?

Secondly, Regarding the pictures of the pistol itself, what is depicted certainly looks very nice. I think that there are good reasons for selecting the 1911 design for manufacture. Firstly, it is a proven design. Secondly, it is still relevant as a useful design, 110 years later. Thirdly, it will give a manufacturer a lot of learning in production, which will hopefully support other models successfully in the future.

My concern with these pictures, as well as those of people firing at a bank of dirt or a target that cannot be seen, is that there's so much more to a gun than what can be seen. A fine finish and good appearance is something that's obtainable by informal manufacture, as well as performance that allows the gun to go "bang" a few times.

What about the heat treatment of parts, and the quality of the springs? How about the function of the firing system (e.g., does it have a good trigger?). How does it compare with other 1911 products for accuracy and reliability to feed?

Well cmtpl has the license to make ammunition & they are manufacturing glocks in 45 acp. They might become the supplier.

I too would like to know the breaking point of this 1911. But we might never find out especially considering how little the ammo quota for ordinary civilian is.

[timmy]

Another reason I can think of why this is a good design choice, Timmy, is that this design has no intellectual property assigned to it. It’s like a life saving drug’s patent expiring after 20 years- the pharmaceutical company frets- much to the delight of generic drug makers and consumers!

True enough; that's a great reason, as well!