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They found out and talking about it in 2014 .... the truth about technology and the pricing

How shameful for a country

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/0 ... s-us-2000/


Thought of sharing

Cheers

TC

TC wrote:How shameful for a country

Of course it is shameful but you can shame only those who have some shame or sense of shame.

Fundamental rights are those rights without which our lives become miserable. Privacy is one such fundamental right, from which sense of shame also emerges. For example if you have no clothes on your body, you have no privacy, your life becomes miserable. If you do not have privacy of the four walls of your home, your life becomes miserable. But our Hon'ble Supreme Court eight judge bench(not one, two or three judges but eight judges!)appears to have held that privacy is not a fundamental right! Can Supreme Court or government say that nobody is allowed to wear clothes(have no shame) since privacy is not a fundamental right? But this is what appears to be the legal position taken by government! So what to expect in matters related to shame especially from government?

The top law officer said a nine-judge bench was required since it was an eight-judge bench which had ruled in 1954 that the right to privacy cannot be a fundamental right. That judgment held that when the Constitution-makers chose not to prescribe for constitutional limitations by recognising the fundamental right to privacy, “there is no justification for importing into it, a totally different fundamental right by some process of strained construction”.

Rohatgi also read out from another SC judgment by a six-judge bench in 1963, holding that “the right of privacy is not a guaranteed right under our Constitution”.

Source http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... -tells-sc/

What an American gun forum think about Nirbheek
PostTue Apr 11, 2017 7:56 pm

They found out and talking about it in 2014 .... the truth about technology and the pricing

How shameful for a country

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/0 ... s-us-2000/


Thought of sharing

Cheers

TC

America is free economy and a far more developed country. We dont have the choices they have. Its similar to- if you live in a metro and travel to remote areas of any state you might hold opinions about their life style which can sound derogatory to natives of that place because thats all they have to live with, all they have seen since day one.
End of the day we donot have choices except Indian ordinance factory. Like Maruti suzuki was major player before others plunged into hatch back and sedan passenger vehicle market. They saved on side view mirrors and foot mats to every basic thing . Its all dependent on few factors like competition , monopoly, Govt. Policy etc. For instance in Japan there was a quality control department to check quality of exported goods and besides custom department had the power to double check quality of goods and country has a name till date. So there are numerous factors. Its a endless discussion. Until some one right with right taste sits on the seat of authority.

Personal opinion
Ajaaybeer S. Sandhu

Ajaaybeer wrote:America is free economy and a far more developed country. We dont have the choices they have. Its similar to- if you live in a metro and travel to remote areas of any state you might hold opinions about their life style which can sound derogatory to natives of that place because thats all they have to live with, all they have seen since day one.
End of the day we donot have choices except Indian ordinance factory. Like Maruti suzuki was major player before others plunged into hatch back and sedan passenger vehicle market. They saved on side view mirrors and foot mats to every basic thing . Its all dependent on few factors like competition , monopoly, Govt. Policy etc. For instance in Japan there was a quality control department to check quality of exported goods and besides custom department had the power to double check quality of goods and country has a name till date. So there are numerous factors. Its a endless discussion. Until some one right with right taste sits on the seat of authority.

Since Indian Ordnance Factory lacks competition, it's products will be overpriced and of poor quality. Probably this post in another thread may be of interest viewtopic.php?f=12&t=25661&p=252581#p252581

Will ever IOF change civilian arms design??
Will the quality ever be better???

I feel this article in 'The Truth about Guns' is an example of Indophobia.

Which nation does not face such social or political problems during its history or while in present?

Regards
Vikramaditya Singh

Well when we can vote to give power to well known Gundas and thugs to rule us, we should aceept IOF as part of the destiny. Irony is that, the retired gunsmiths are working in black-market to create world class AK-47. (I read it some where, don't remember the source)

Turkey, Ukraine, Slovakia, Bulgaria and so many other countries are creating world class arms where as we even stopped making GANDHI Topi forget about the Lathi.

peacelover wrote:Will ever IOF change civilian arms design??
Will the quality ever be better???

Not till they have a competing product.

xl_target wrote:

peacelover wrote:Will ever IOF change civilian arms design??
Will the quality ever be better???

Not till they have a competing product.

Hi All,

I don't blame them for their thought process. I also read them quoting Gandhi Ji on context to Guns.
Niether I blame IOF for reinventing the wheel for a higher price.

As per my understanding the root cause is the very limited access of Gun Licences for the civilians. Also incase someone manages to get one most chances are he/she would never visit a Club (Most of the Gun owners are SBL/DBL for Farm protection/Security). The price tag for membership is much higher than a DBL gun. The catch is we don't have Gun Culture niether we promote the same.

Unless we as a nation come out of it we can expect IOF reinventing the wheel again & again and selling the new wheel at exorbitant price which will continue to ridicule the world.

Hope I did not offend anybody.

Regards
dh

Good day Mr dh,

I believe creating a quality product doesn't require competition. When the design specialist is designing a gun or the mechinist is giving finish to the product, they are more bothered about the Over time probably. Thats the great sarkari mentality of our unfortunate nation.

Who in the name of god will buy a $2000 copy, only rich people. Coz poors don't deserve self protection, they count only for paying tax so that Netajis/bhiyajis can have chicken biryani at the subsidised canteen.

The government organisations are like industries in COMA. Except ISRO i see none functioning properly.

Sorry for my sarcasm, but its truth.

Regards

Mayank

Hi Mayank,

Competition / Competitors cannot be created it will automatically crop up. But the actual change that is required is in the system & mindset.
Food for thought.
In our country even the licence holders are subject to conceal weapon. Why ? Because carrying / revealing arms might incite insecurity amongst my fellow country men. Why? Because he / she does not poses one. Why? Because he / she never felt the need for the same or the person could not indulge himself into the long beauracratic process for acquiring & maintaining the same.
The saddest part is right of self defence is just a concept in our motherland while it had been our greatest ally in evolution.

Regards
dh

Gunner_dh wrote:Hi Mayank,

Competition / Competitors cannot be created it will automatically crop up. But the actual change that is required is in the system & mindset.

Unfortunately, there is no legal means for competition to "automatically crop up".
It is expressly forbidden in this instance, by legislative fiat.

Thinking of sending this to the IOF board and top brass.

captrakshitsharma wrote:Thinking of sending this to the IOF board and top brass.

It is a good idea, please do send.

goodboy_mentor wrote:

captrakshitsharma wrote:Thinking of sending this to the IOF board and top brass.

It is a good idea, please do send.

I beg your pardon but you must have read about the "Ant And The Grasshopper" story. They wont work to improve their quality but will make sure to shutdown the voices which have raised their concerns .

Indian army recently scouted to buy high power sniper rifles. it was in news every where. my question is " when we can make a rocket which can travel to Mars why cant we manufacture a sniper rifle".

Probably they wont feel anything

Regards,

Mayank