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Came across this pistol from Walther. It appears to be a unique blow back design, something found only in .32 and 380 pistols. Its a piston driven design found mostly in HK 556 and other high end rifles. It has a firing pin block and a manual thumb safety. Currently available only in 9mm, they might come up with a 40 sw shortly. Though this was launched in shot show 2014 no reviews have been done by anyone as yet.

It appears to be promising and one of the best conceal carry pistols around. Any one has it or has fired it do update your views.

Looks cool Farook. I am personally very fond of the 9mm caliber ammo itself. However, I hate striker fire guns somewhat because of their capability of an accidental discharge when you have a round in the breach. Firing pin blocks in hammer fired pistols happen to be a lot more safer. You also have the option of single firing by cocking the gum in HF pistols, like revolvers.

Walther has a long standing reputation since the world war as well as it's PPK usage in the Bond movies (are you kidding me? Bond using a .380 for missions!), but come on brother? What say you?

But I like that gun Farook......Mommy I want that!

As I said there are very few reviews on the net on this one. Why not buy one and let us know how the piston system works in terms of both recoil and debris management. This should be able to fire a lot more rounds without the need to cleaning.

In the other video its about his personal preference. The fact of the matter is that striker fire pistols have a lower bore axis and a lot less part, the trigger reset is a lot shorter as well. Most of us would prefer sticker fire. We don't exactly walk amid a blowing wind of a desert to dirty the gun with sand.

farook wrote:As I said there are very few reviews on the net on this one. Why not buy one and let us know how the piston system works in terms of both recoil and debris management. This should be able to fire a lot more rounds without the need to cleaning.

In the other video its about his personal preference. The fact of the matter is that striker fire pistols have a lower bore axis and a lot less part, the trigger reset is a lot shorter as well. Most of us would prefer sticker fire. We don't exactly walk amid a blowing wind of a desert to dirty the gun with sand.

Triggers can be adjusted Farook. Lower bore axis, well yes. Yet, I was simply referring to gun safety (my usual debate yaar). And then, that accounts for the reliability of the gun as well when you carry it. I know many people here who carry more Glock's than other branded firearms, and even my favorite inexpensive brand Ruger has ported to manufacturing more striker fired guns than hammer fired. (We still have the top brands making hammer fired guns like Springfield, STI, Kimber etc. Why so Farook?)

I think it's also the gun handler who is responsible for compensating for recoil and therefore the accuracy of the discharged bullet. Just relying on the design of a gun can be quite a challenge brother. Many vets have sworn by the hammer striker than blow back etc. mechanisms since the 1980's and before. A good read would be Dean Grenell's books for this matter.

Glock has really become the Walmart seller of guns, and yet I would love to some day invest in a Beretta 92FS in 9mm (again? well!).

Jeet3 wrote: However, I hate striker fire guns somewhat because of their capability of an accidental discharge when you have a round in the breach. Firing pin blocks in hammer fired pistols happen to be a lot more safer. You also have the option of single firing by cocking the gum in HF pistols, like revolvers.

Striker fired guns are no less or no more safe than hammer fired guns. If you keep your finger off the trigger, you won't have an accidental discharge. To say that striker fired guns are less safe is BS.
The advantage of a striker fired gun is that you get the same trigger pull for all shots unlike a traditional DA/SA fired pistol which gives you a longer, harder double action pull on the first shot. If you weren't paying attention, they did mention that the safety block the firing pin on this particular pistol.

You are correct in that Striker fired guns don't have the second strike capability like some hammer fired guns.

Apart from that, all the videos were produced by Walther themselves. You want to wait till an independent source reviews the pistol.

At least they got rid of the funky European style mag release lever like on the PPS. I really liked the PPS but that mag release lever could cause a screw up under stress if it is significantly different from the rest of your carry guns.

Came across this pistol from Walther. It appears to be a unique blow back design, something found only in .32 and 380 pistols. Its a piston driven design found mostly in HK 556 and other high end rifles.

The HK 556 is a piston gun. This is more like direct impingement. Direct impingement on a pistol... Meh! We will have to see how it tests out once it gets dirty.

As I said there are very few reviews on the net on this one. Why not buy one and let us know how the piston system works in terms of both recoil and debris management. This should be able to fire a lot more rounds without the need to cleaning.

Till we get an independent test, Farook, it would be hard to say how many rounds it takes before the piston gets hopelessly fouled.

Like buying a new model car, sometimes one should wait till a handgun has been out for a while, especially one purchased for carry. Lately, there seems to be a propensity for manufacturers to let the customers do their field testing for them. Also, just because a pistol is striker fired, there is no guarantee that it will have a low bore axis. Look at the Glocks, they aren't exactly known for a low bore axis. If you really want a low bore axis gun, I'll take a CZ any day.

To say that striker fired guns are less safe is....

One example is a custom made 1911, at 3 pounds the trigger would blow off with a touch.

Lately, there seems to be a propensity for manufacturers to let the customers do their field testing for them.

One such example is Military Arms Channel, the guy was a genius when it came to evaluating firearms. Right from the time he left a beard he is Sold Out. Paid reviews, partial reviews, I believe he has opened his own store very recently selling rifles and pistols.....

If you really want a low bore axis gun, I'll take a CZ any day.

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Is there anyone at IFG who can do us a little favour. Buy or hire this gun, fire it with a G2 ammo, critical duty, critical defence and speer gold dot, upload the video and we have a clear idea on how it works.

Xl Target.....Isnt this a piston driven system where pistol helps in cycling of the gun...

farook wrote:Came across this pistol from Walther. It appears to be a unique blow back design, something found only in .32 and 380 pistols. Its a piston driven design found mostly in HK 556 and other high end rifles.

This statement is FALSE!

The Walther CCP pistol is a BLOWBACK design.

The H&K 556 rifle is a GAS OPERATED design.

These are totally different operating principles. There is no use of the word "like" that is appropriate in comparing them.

You need to understand the difference between these actions before you post so knowledgeably about them and say they are alike.

If you don't want to research to learn the difference, go back and read my posts in response to you in the past -- I have explained this before, but you don't seem to want to take the time to read what others explain. Perhaps you are too busy instructing others based on false assumptions?

Take it easy guys. lets cool down now!

God Speed!

Timmy I never miss out on any of your posts and read them carefully. If you give me the link which post your referring to...

farook wrote:Timmy I never miss out on any of your posts and read them carefully. If you give me the link which post your referring to...

1. Farook, you can start here.

http://indiansforguns.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=21879

http://indiansforguns.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=21699

http://indiansforguns.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=21443

These are a few of a number.

2. I am not objecting to your making an incorrect statement. We all make incorrect statements here and our strength is in our collective knowledge, not our individual knowledge. What I object to is your repeatedly passing off expert opinions on issues you clearly don't know what you are talking about. This thread is an example of that. I am not so concerned with the state you are in, because I have not seen you make great efforts to improve your knowledge (as exemplified by this thread). However, there are many other folks who join IFG and are new to guns. Having folks take up an interest in guns and then be misled by ill informed statements is exactly the sort of thing I don't want to see happen. IFG's goals are advanced when newcomers can get correct information and have their interests cultivated as they build on the information they find here.

3. This kind of information about automatic/semi-automatic firearms systems is all over the internet -- there is literally a mountain of it! Or, even to find the threads I refer to, you can just browse through posts I've made. Or, even a more narrow approach can be taken by performing a simple google search of this site and using the appropriate key words. These are simple ways that you could use to find these pieces of information, yet you did not trouble yourself to access them. This makes me question how strong your interest in knowing the facts really is.

4. Part of the information I refer to and you claim to seek is in the Walther youtube video you yourself just posted, which shows exactly how the gun works -- did you look at it? Did you then study the H&K 556 and see how it operates and compare the two before you made your statement? This is a rhetorical question -- I know you did not, because if you had, you would have immediately seen the difference.

5. Your statements demonstrate that you do not understand the key elements of automatic/semiautomatic firearm design: the difference between blowback and locked breech actions. Someone coming here as a newcomer to guns could pick up on your erroneous statements and never understand these differences, what they mean to a shooter, and why a shooter might want certain properties of one over the other in a certain circumstance. He or she would not understand why, for instance, this Walther design has advantages over a simple blowback action or maybe disadvantages.

6. When these things are pointed out to you, you used to argue, but now you ignore and continue with the same sort of behavior, from which no action as of yet has dissuaded you from repeating.

I would like to see folks come here and enjoy guns knowledgeably, rather than appreciating them because they saw them in some movie or hokey youtube video. But repeatedly, you are found to be pulling on the other end of the rope regarding this object. This is certainly not desirable.

Xl Target.....Isnt this a piston driven system where pistol helps in cycling of the gun...

I stated:

The HK 556 is a piston gun. This is more like direct impingement. Direct impingement on a pistol... Meh! We will have to see how it tests out once it gets dirty.

I was incorrect in this. Both piston operated and direct impingement rifles, use the gas to assist the unlocking and in the rearward travel of the bolt.
This uses gas to retard the rearward movement of the slide. The gun should still fire if the piston system is inoperative but felt recoil will increase and frame battering will probably become an issue.

I have always been an HK fan. Just feel that the company even thought not anywhere as old as a Beretta or Walther, at any given point of time made innovative designs. The HK P7 is one such example



It has pretty much the same gas delayed blow back locking system as a Walther CCP ( not to be confused with the gas operated ).



This all steel gun even at that point of time costed a whooping 900 usd and was very heavy for its size.

farook wrote:I have always been an HK fan. Just feel that the company even thought not anywhere as old as a Beretta or Walther, at any given point of time made innovative designs. The HK P7 is one such example

So what does your being a H&K fan have to do with anything, or how old H&K is, or anything else?

farook wrote:It has pretty much the same gas delayed blow back locking system as a Walther CCP ( not to be confused with the gas operated ).

So now you're saying you were talking about a P7? Not! You said:

farook wrote:Its a piston driven design found mostly in HK 556 and other high end rifles.

1. The CCW isn't a "piston driven design" (whatever that means).

2. You were talking about a H&K rifle, not a pistol.

You really don't think you're going to sell this kettle of fish to crab out of what you said originally, do you?

Exemplary Farook. Thanks for the post with all honors brother. I needed this information so much in relation to what exactly happens in these guns.

Gratsi senior.
Jeet