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Imported Hand gun
Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 5:17 pm
by kiran2608
Hi guys,
I am new to hand gun section, but I have been an active member in airguns section:-)
I have few doubts and I thought this would be the best place to ask.
I am planning to apply for licence and once I get it, can I buy beretta or colt in some other country and get it along with me?
I just completed my civilian rifle shooting and will get the certificate in two months. I heard that after getting the certificate, I can apply for licence. I know its not an easy task to get licence. If at all if I get the licence, can I save that for acquiring a good hand gun from outside?
I know that I cant import, but can go and buy one and later can I carry it in my check in baggage?
Please throw some light on this guys.
KD
Re: Imported Hand gun
Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 5:41 pm
by StampMaster
Importing of all arms is banned for a long time.
You ca buy some which are already available in the market. Which could be from the 80's or earlier.
Re: Imported Hand gun
Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 6:57 pm
by renjith747
Kiran, You can bring one gun with you from abroad by TR.Only one gun per person in lifetime is allowed by TR.You have to own that gun abroad for at least one year to bring the same to India.Once you enter India declare it to customs and show the related papers and later transfer it to your license after getting approval from licensing authority.Please remember to bring the gun in which cartridges easily available here.This is my humble opinion.
Regards
Renjith
Re: Imported Hand gun
Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 7:59 pm
by Vikram
There is a lot of information on this forum about importing. Just scroll through the posts here.
http://indiansforguns.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2779
Re: Imported Hand gun
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:39 pm
by kiran2608
Hey Guys, Thank you so much for the valuable information.
Recently I have asked one of the senior shooters in our shooting range ( KSRA) about the same. He had imported one wadcutter .22lbr pistol some 4 years back.
If we are a qualified shooter in nationals, then we can easily import a target pistol ( not airpistol) with out import duty. And it would cost around Rs 5L.
Atleast to acquire a pistol, I would like to practice a lot and qualify in that:-)
Ofcourse I am more interested in competations.
KD
Re: Imported Hand gun
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:54 pm
by xl_target
wadcutter .22lbr pistol
If he says that he imported a "wadcutter" .22LR pistol, he isn't being quite truthful with you.
Re: Imported Hand gun
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:56 pm
by kiran2608
xl_target wrote:wadcutter .22lbr pistol
If he says that he imported a "wadcutter" .22LR pistol, he isn't being quite truthful with you.
Hi XL,
Please put more light on this.
I have seen many shooters with their own rifles ( .22 lr) in 50 Mtrs range. And all of them are Walther.
Also in 25 Mtrs I have seen two shooters with their own pistols. One was .22 and other with .32.
Infact the pistols we borrow from KSRA is wad cutter .32 and .22.
I have no knowledge at all on this. Please let me know the way to get my own target pistol.
According to my enquiry, once we are qualified in the basic shooting in KSRA. We can go for national qualification matches organised by NIRA. And then we can apply for licence with the above eligibility with which we can import target pistols.
I am not talking about civilian training and licence procedures.
KD
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Re: Imported Hand gun
Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 2:23 am
by xl_target
A "wadcutter" is a bullet. It is a special flat tipped projectile that is loaded into a cartridge generally used for target shooting.
Wadcutters tend to leave a sharply defined round hole in the target. This is generally a hand loading proposition.
A .22 is a heeled bullet, if it was a wadcutter like a .38 HBWC it would be a smaller diameter than the barrel and not engage the rifling. While there are some flat point .22LR's available, they are not really wadcutters but more like truncated cones.
(From L to R) .32ACP cartridge, a .32 S&W long cartridge loaded with a wadcutter bullet and a .380 ACP jacketed hollow point.
A wadcutter is a special-purpose flat-fronted bullet specially designed for shooting paper targets, usually at close range and at subsonic velocities typically under approximately 900 ft/s (274 m/s). Wadcutters have also found favor for use in self-defense guns, such as .38 caliber snub-nosed revolvers, where due to short barrel lengths, maximum bullet velocities are usually low, typically under 900 ft/s (274 m/s), and improved lethality is desired. Wadcutters are often used in handgun and airgun competitions.
quote and image from wikipedia
While you can purchase factory loaded wadcutters in certain calibers, no one makes a wadcutter in .22 LR. Also, since you can't hand load a .22 LR cartridge, there is no such thing as a "wadcutter .22 LR" cartridge.
Since the term "wadcutter" refers to the projectile and is sometimes used to describe a cartridge loaded with a wadcutter bullet, there is no such thing as a "wadcutter pistol".
So if a pistol is marked for .38 Special, it can fire regular .38 special ammunition as well as .38 Special cartridges loaded with wadcutter bullets.
Keeping in mind that there is no such thing as a "wadcutter cartridge" in .22LR or a "Wadcutter pistol"; your mate was not telling you the truth.
Terminology is important.
Re: Imported Hand gun
Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 3:08 pm
by kiran2608
Thank you so much XL:-)
That was my mistake that I mentioned the pistol as wad cutter with my own useless terminology:-)
Moreover he never mentioned anything about the brand or name. He just said that importing target pistol is possible once we are eligible in nationals.
And yes, even in KSRA they give only this .32 flat head bullets:-)
Thank you once again and will definitely follow the proper terminology before I blabber.
KD
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Re: Imported Hand gun
Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 4:12 pm
by ckkalyan
Very succinct explanation
xl_target 
- this 'wadcutter' term seems to to be a veritable werewolf, in certain parts!
Welcome to the handgun (firearms) section
kiran2608 - no worries, all of us are on a learning curve here and we love new and authentic information!
Interestingly you may be happy to know that you have 'wadcutters' in the airgun segment as well. Meaning the same flat- headed profile of the projectile - as an example:
This is a .177 Wadcutter Pellet from Crosman
This is what is said at the website
This wadcutter pellet is the standard and most practical pellet for plinking and back yard target practice. Crosman has always produced a quality pellet and these pellets are some of our best. The pellets flat head and grooved skirt provide excellent accuracy. Plink with the best...Plink with Crosman pellets. 1250 per carton.
from here
http://www.crosman.com/gear/ammo/71250
Re: Imported Hand gun
Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 8:44 pm
by brihacharan
xl_target wrote:A "wadcutter" is a bullet. It is a special flat tipped projectile that is loaded into a cartridge generally used for target shooting.
Wadcutters tend to leave a sharply defined round hole in the target. This is generally a hand loading proposition.
A .22 is a heeled bullet, if it was a wadcutter like a .38 HBWC it would be a smaller diameter than the barrel and not engage the rifling. While there are some flat point .22LR's available, they are not really wadcutters but more like truncated cones.
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(From L to R) .32ACP cartridge, a .32 S&W long cartridge loaded with a wadcutter bullet and a .380 ACP jacketed hollow point.
A wadcutter is a special-purpose flat-fronted bullet specially designed for shooting paper targets, usually at close range and at subsonic velocities typically under approximately 900 ft/s (274 m/s). Wadcutters have also found favor for use in self-defense guns, such as .38 caliber snub-nosed revolvers, where due to short barrel lengths, maximum bullet velocities are usually low, typically under 900 ft/s (274 m/s), and improved lethality is desired. Wadcutters are often used in handgun and airgun competitions.
quote and image from wikipedia
While you can purchase factory loaded wadcutters in certain calibers, no one makes a wadcutter in .22 LR. Also, since you can't hand load a .22 LR cartridge, there is no such thing as a "wadcutter .22 LR" cartridge.
Since the term "wadcutter" refers to the projectile and is sometimes used to describe a cartridge loaded with a wadcutter bullet, there is no such thing as a "wadcutter pistol".
So if a pistol is marked for .38 Special, it can fire regular .38 special ammunition as well as .38 Special cartridges loaded with wadcutter bullets.
Keeping in mind that there is no such thing as a "wadcutter cartridge" in .22LR or a "Wadcutter pistol"; your mate was not telling you the truth.
Terminology is important.
> Awesome 'Tutorial' xl_target
> Thanks for sharing
Briha