9 MM Pistol prohibited bore in India or Kerala?

[gopal]

Dear members,
Still confused about 9 mm prohibited bore or not.My friends father owned one FN Browning 9 mm canada made pistol.He is nomore now and want to sell the same.
Please your comments and advises....

[Vikram]

They are prohibited in the sense that you need a PB licence to keep one. Same with .45 ACP or .380 revolver. The applicability is entire India.

For more info:


http://indiansforguns.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2780

[farook]

Until a few decades back 9 mm was issued to civilians ( as import of arms was allowed till 1986 ). But in view of certain prevailing conditions at that point of time Ministry of Home affairs declared it a prohibited bore for civilians. In 2010 a gazette was again passed in parliament under which 9 mm be allowed to civilians if they a prove they have threat to life. Today if a civilian wants a license for a 9 mm pistol there are two ways of getting it. 1. He has to prove a threat to life. 2. Over inheritance of arms, meaning if you dad has a license for a 9 mm he can transfer it over to his son/ daughter. As this has been done a sentimental ground a max number 30 ammo is allowed over a 365 day period.

[Vikram]

Until a few decades back 9 mm was issued to civilians ( as import of arms was allowed till 1986 ). But in view of certain prevailing conditions at that point of time Ministry of Home affairs declared it a prohibited bore for civilians. In 2010 a gazette was again passed in parliament under which 9 mm be allowed to civilians if they a prove they have threat to life. Today if a civilian wants a license for a 9 mm pistol there are two ways of getting it. 1. He has to prove a threat to life. 2. Over inheritance of arms, meaning if you dad has a license for a 9 mm he can transfer it over to his son/ daughter. As this has been done a sentimental ground a max number 30 ammo is allowed over a 365 day period.

Farook,

While quite close, your explanation is not entirely accurate. This is what the said gazette says:

http://mha.nic.in/pdfs/AaAPolicyInd-080410.pdf

Grant of Arms licences for PB Weapons – Applications for grant of arms license for PB weapons from citizens of India facing grave and imminent
threat to their lives are considered by Central Government. It has been decided that applications for grant of arms license for PB weapons may be
considered from the following category of persons alone:-

(i) Those persons who face grave and imminent threat to their lives by mere reason of being residents of a geographical area (or areas)
where terrorists are most active and/or are held to be prime ‘targets’ in the eyes of terrorists and/ or are known to be inimical to the aims
and objects of the terrorists and as such face danger to their lives.

(ii) Those Government officials who by virtue of the office occupied by them and/or the nature of duties performed by them and/or in due
discharge of their official duty have made themselves targets in the eyes of terrorists and are vulnerable (prone) to terrorist attack.

(iii) Those MPs and MLAs including non-officials/private persons who by virtue of having been closely and/or actively associated with antiterrorist programmes and policies of the Government or by mere reason of their holding views, political or otherwise, not to the liking of the terrorists, have rendered themselves open to attack by the terrorists.

(iv) The family members/kith and kin of those who by the very nature of their duties or performance (past or present) or positions occupied in the Government (past or present) or even otherwise for known/unknown reasons have been rendered vulnerable and have come to be regarded by the terrorists as fit targets for elimination.

I have no idea about legacy licenses when it comes to PB firearms. However, this article in the press says that firearms can be transferred to kith and kin.

http://articles.economictimes.indiatime ... hed-ashraf

The government has, however, extended the ambit of persons who can seek transfer of gun licences. Normally, legal heirs who could seek transfer of gun licences meant spouse, son or daughter. This has now been extended to son-inlaw , daughter-in-law , brother and sister of the existing licensee.

However, I would not bet on this newspaper article to be entirely helpful in procuring your PB licence.

Best-
Vikram

[farook]

Until a few decades back 9 mm was issued to civilians ( as import of arms was allowed till 1986 ). But in view of certain prevailing conditions at that point of time Ministry of Home affairs declared it a prohibited bore for civilians. In 2010 a gazette was again passed in parliament under which 9 mm be allowed to civilians if they a prove they have threat to life. Today if a civilian wants a license for a 9 mm pistol there are two ways of getting it. 1. He has to prove a threat to life. 2. Over inheritance of arms, meaning if you dad has a license for a 9 mm he can transfer it over to his son/ daughter. As this has been done a sentimental ground a max number 30 ammo is allowed over a 365 day period.

Farook,

While quite close, your explanation is not entirely accurate. This is what the said gazette says:

http://mha.nic.in/pdfs/AaAPolicyInd-080410.pdf

Grant of Arms licences for PB Weapons – Applications for grant of arms license for PB weapons from citizens of India facing grave and imminent
threat to their lives are considered by Central Government. It has been decided that applications for grant of arms license for PB weapons may be
considered from the following category of persons alone:-

(i) Those persons who face grave and imminent threat to their lives by mere reason of being residents of a geographical area (or areas)
where terrorists are most active and/or are held to be prime ‘targets’ in the eyes of terrorists and/ or are known to be inimical to the aims
and objects of the terrorists and as such face danger to their lives.

(ii) Those Government officials who by virtue of the office occupied by them and/or the nature of duties performed by them and/or in due
discharge of their official duty have made themselves targets in the eyes of terrorists and are vulnerable (prone) to terrorist attack.

(iii) Those MPs and MLAs including non-officials/private persons who by virtue of having been closely and/or actively associated with antiterrorist programmes and policies of the Government or by mere reason of their holding views, political or otherwise, not to the liking of the terrorists, have rendered themselves open to attack by the terrorists.

(iv) The family members/kith and kin of those who by the very nature of their duties or performance (past or present) or positions occupied in the Government (past or present) or even otherwise for known/unknown reasons have been rendered vulnerable and have come to be regarded by the terrorists as fit targets for elimination.

I have no idea about legacy licenses when it comes to PB firearms. However, this article in the press says that firearms can be transferred to kith and kin.

http://articles.economictimes.indiatime ... hed-ashraf

The government has, however, extended the ambit of persons who can seek transfer of gun licences. Normally, legal heirs who could seek transfer of gun licences meant spouse, son or daughter. This has now been extended to son-inlaw , daughter-in-law , brother and sister of the existing licensee.

However, I would not bet on this newspaper article to be entirely helpful in procuring your PB licence.

Best-
Vikram

Thanks for elaborating. This is a very interesting topic. Do see if there is more information on it.

[tiwariarrun]

(i) Those persons who face grave and imminent threat to their lives by mere reason of being residents of a geographical area (or areas)
where terrorists are most active and/or are held to be prime ‘targets’ in the eyes of terrorists and/ or are known to be inimical to the aims
and objects of the terrorists and as such face danger to their lives.

That's one of the reasons. And the allotted quota is 30 rounds/year? We are talking about the terrorists and living in some real danger zone here.

Couldn't they make it 10 rounds per year and make it sound even more funnier?

[farook]

(i) Those persons who face grave and imminent threat to their lives by mere reason of being residents of a geographical area (or areas)
where terrorists are most active and/or are held to be prime ‘targets’ in the eyes of terrorists and/ or are known to be inimical to the aims
and objects of the terrorists and as such face danger to their lives.

That's one of the reasons. And the allotted quota is 30 rounds/year? We are talking about the terrorists and living in some real danger zone here.

Couldn't they make it 10 rounds per year and make it sound even more funnier?

For a npb is 25 rounds in a day and 100 per year. For 9 mm is 30 rounds per year. The quota can be extended if you place a request.

[goodboy_mentor]

Still confused about 9 mm prohibited bore or not.My friends father owned one FN Browning 9 mm canada made pistol.He is nomore now and want to sell the same.

It is not legally "prohibited". There is absolutely nothing called "prohibited bore" in Arms Act 1959 or Arms Rules 1962. There are two options. Either one of the legal heirs apply for license for category I(c) of SCHEDULE -I of Arms Rules 1962 under inheritance or sell it by doing the legal formalities to someone who has a license for category I(c) of SCHEDULE -I of Arms Rules 1962.

In 2010 a gazette was again passed in parliament under which 9 mm be allowed to civilians if they a prove they have threat to life.

Can you please mention more details of this said Gazette Notification.

While quite close, your explanation is not entirely accurate. This is what the said gazette says:

http://mha.nic.in/pdfs/AaAPolicyInd-080410.pdf

Also it was neither ever approved by Parliament or was ever published in the Gazette as a Notification under Arms Act 1959. It was just an administrative order circulated to all States and put on the website.

[farook]

Why bother on that aspect of it. As far as we as civilians are concerned getting a 9 mm is not easy. Better just stay with .32. As for gopal, your friend can apply for a 9mm license and inherit his dads gun. Given the current scenario I wont miss a chance like this.

[renjith747]

If the person is a sports person and shoots pistol he can have 9 mm pistol excluding parabellum.Recent notification from the govt says it clearly.This is one and only easiest way to procure 9mm in India under present situation.

Regards
Renjith

[ARAE]

They are prohibited in the sense that you need a PB licence to keep one. Same with .45 ACP or .380 revolver. The applicability is entire India.

For more info:


http://indiansforguns.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2780

They are prohibited in the sense that you need a PB licence to keep one. Same with .45 ACP or .380 revolver. The applicability is entire India.
What about Kerala ???

[essdee1972]

Proof that "government logic" is an oxymoron at best, something far more sinister at worst!

(i) Those persons who face grave and imminent threat to their lives by mere reason of being residents of a geographical area (or areas)
where terrorists are most active and/or are held to be prime ‘targets’ in the eyes of terrorists and/ or are known to be inimical to the aims
and objects of the terrorists and as such face danger to their lives.

Being residents of a geographic area? All people in Kashmir, Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand, etc. etc. get 9 mm licenses? The "and/or" would suggest so! There have been terrorist attacks in Mumbai, Delhi, even Kolkata (US Consulate), and many other cities (I am counting only the incidents where bullets where used, not the bombings), so......??? One of my colleagues in J&K had their (NPB) licenses confiscated, why??

Most (if not all) Indians are likewise inimical to the aims & objects (sic) of the terrorists, aren't we?

(iv) The family members/kith and kin of those who by the very nature of their duties or performance (past or present) or positions occupied in the Government (past or present) or even otherwise for known/unknown reasons have been rendered vulnerable and have come to be regarded by the terrorists as fit targets for elimination.

Does this mean that if my dad was connected in some sense to anti-terrorist activities, I can apply for a 9 mm, even though my dad may be retired or dead?? Or maybe I am a terrorist target for "even otherwise for unknown reason"..... how in the names of all the Gods in Valhalla am I supposed to prove it if the reason is "unknown"? As the terrorists have proved, time & again, that ALL Indians are targets, does it mean all Indians are getting 9 mms? (Actually, my dad-in-law is a retd intelligence chap, was posted in NE when the Assam and other separatist movements were raging. He did have a life threat at some point of time. So that "renders my wife and our kid vulnerable", doesn't it?)

All the document proves is that at least 50% Indians are eligible for 9 mm license!! Why don't the Big Brothers come clear and say "no citizen shall be allowed 9mm", or "all citizens shall be allowed 9mm"? But of course! I forgot that anything the government does, any law it passes, has to have potential for kickbacks to the administrators of the said law. That is the unwritten pre-preamble of the Constitution!!

[farook]

If the person is a sports person and shoots pistol he can have 9 mm pistol excluding parabellum.Recent notification from the govt says it clearly.This is one and only easiest way to procure 9mm in India under present situation.

Regards
Renjith

Now tell us where you got this one from

[tiwariarrun]

For a npb is 25 rounds in a day and 100 per year. For 9 mm is 30 rounds per year. The quota can be extended if you place a request.

Yes Farook, that's written in the text books as well. You missed the point. I am talking about the logic. Also, how much would be the extended quota? 30 x 10 or 30000 rounds?

We're talking about the terrorists or the protection from the guys who steal car tyres? What equipment those terrorists got that we haven't? I think that needs to be checked before even applying for PB license. Because nothing is going to help unless I got a light machine gun if I'm living in Kashmir.

[Kittu]

Hi mr farook
you can read it your self thanks