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The other day i visited a dealer to see some some weapons.He showed me three revolvers,two were single action .357 magnums,and the third was a .22 magnum single action.It had a spare drum for .22 LR bullets.All are made by Ruger Arms USA.The prices range around 7 lacs for the .357 and 4.5 for the .22. condition is 80%. Sorry cant post pictures because the dealer did let me take them.Are these weapons worth the price quoted?

hi
the .357 should not cost more than 3 lacs anything above that is nonsense.

Hi Waulakh,

The .22 you have seen is most likely to be the Ruger Single Six model because quite a few of these were imported before the ban. I have seen at least six in Kolkata and all had two cylinders.
As far a price is concerned all I can say that in 1994 I was offered one for Rs 40,000. Today it should not cost more than 2.5 lakh. The reasons being : a) the frame is made of alloy b) it is single action c) slow reload and slower extraction d) too big to carry comfortably. My suggest is you should bargain because the average price of .22 LR full steel body pistols like hi standard varies between 2 and 3 lakh at gun shops across India.

As far as the 357 is concerned, who on earth should pay 7 lakh for a single action 357 mag revolver. The single action .32 Llama pistol with ventilated rib (the later model i.e.) in 80 % finish is sold by dealers at 6 - 6.5 lakh.

Regards

TC

TC wrote:Hi Waulakh,

The .22 you have seen is most likely to be the Ruger Single Six model because quite a few of these were imported before the ban. I have seen at least six in Kolkata and all had two cylinders.
As far a price is concerned all I can say that in 1994 I was offered one for Rs 40,000. Today it should not cost more than 2.5 lakh. The reasons being : a) the frame is made of alloy b) it is single action c) slow reload and slower extraction d) too big to carry comfortably. My suggest is you should bargain because the average price of .22 LR full steel body pistols like hi standard varies between 2 and 3 lakh at gun shops across India.

As far as the 357 is concerned, who on earth should pay 7 lakh for a single action 357 mag revolver. The single action .32 Llama pistol with ventilated rib (the later model i.e.) in 80 % finish is sold by dealers at 6 - 6.5 lakh.

Regards

TC

Ruger Single Six frames are steel. (Which is an alloy of iron and carbon.)

Are we speaking of the Ruger Bearcat 22? These have an alloy frame, but not a .22 Magnum cylinder:



Or are we talking about a Ruger Single Six 22. These are steel framed, can have two cylinders for .22 LR and .22 Mag:



Note the more pronounced "hump" of the Bearcat's grip, as compared to the Single Six. This is because the Bearcat is patterned after the Remington revolver, while the Single Six is patterned after the Colt revolver. However, the Bearcat is a much smaller gun and that, combined with the alloy frame, makes it much lighter.

In my hunt for the .22 wmr ruger, I did come across this dealer who has the above mentioned pistols in his possession. A good friend who knows his guns checked them out for me and his comment on the .22 wmr was that it was a 'piece of shit'. The dealer is a definite nutter and has a very poor reputation in the market to boot.

TwoRivers wrote:

TC wrote:Hi Waulakh,

The .22 you have seen is most likely to be the Ruger Single Six model because quite a few of these were imported before the ban. I have seen at least six in Kolkata and all had two cylinders.
As far a price is concerned all I can say that in 1994 I was offered one for Rs 40,000. Today it should not cost more than 2.5 lakh. The reasons being : a) the frame is made of alloy b) it is single action c) slow reload and slower extraction d) too big to carry comfortably. My suggest is you should bargain because the average price of .22 LR full steel body pistols like hi standard varies between 2 and 3 lakh at gun shops across India.

As far as the 357 is concerned, who on earth should pay 7 lakh for a single action 357 mag revolver. The single action .32 Llama pistol with ventilated rib (the later model i.e.) in 80 % finish is sold by dealers at 6 - 6.5 lakh.

Regards

TC

Ruger Single Six frames are steel. (Which is an alloy of iron and carbon.)

Two Rivers I am aware of the differences between iron and steel since I am one of those fortunate Indians who have owned and fired (still do) quite a few weapons. Thank you.

Timmy when I said alloy I meant alloy and when I said Single Six I meant Single Six (not Bearcat) because that's what I have seen. If any of you guys are interested then please come down to Kolkata and check out for yourself. A Ruger .22 single action which looks exactly like a Single Six and has an alloy frame was lying at a gun shop under Section 21 of Indian Arms Act ever since its owner died 20 odd years ago. I tried to buy the weapons 10 years ago but failed because his sons were busy fighting legal battles against each other.

Please PM me if any of you wish to come down to Kolkata (at your own risk and expense) for physical inspection of the revolver. I know the shop owner. I can find out if he still has the revolver and fix an appointment. Even if he does not have it he will tell you that it has an alloy body. In fact he had a similar one in .32 S&W Long.

I think the real question here is : Did Ruger ever manufacture the old Single Six and the New Model Single Six convertible with alloy frames? The answer is YES !!
I could go through my old books, especially the Shooters Bibles and find more technical details but I leave this to the experts on this forum.

In the meantime this is what I found on the net.... Ruger Single Six in "lightweight" alloy frame and in .22 as well

http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=152971

http://smith-wessonforum.com/lounge/128 ... e-six.html

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=346358

And an alloy Single Six .22 in alloy frame on sale for 662 dollars

http://www.gunauction.com/search/displa ... um=8607726


http://www.gunblast.com/images/Hamm_Sin ... 207729.jpg

The lightweight Ruger single six produced between 1856 and 59

http://www.gunblast.com/Hamm_Single-Six_Lightweight.htm




http://cdn1.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd_ima ... /49718.jpg

Specifications and features:
Ruger New Model Single Six Convertible revovler
.22 Long Rifle and .22 Magnum calibers
Includes 2 cylinders
6-1/2" barrel
6 grooves
1:14" twist
6 round capacity
Transfer bar safety
Loading gate interlock
Internal lock safety
Single-action
Black checkered hard rubber grips
Alloy steel frame
Blued finish
Blade front and adjustable rear sights
12" overall length
35 oz.



Regards

TC

Should i make an offer of 3lacs for the .357 or is that also on the higher side.The .22 is a single six as seen in the pics.The pics of the .357 can be seen on Ruger site on the internet.
regards

TC:

Timmy when I said alloy I meant alloy and when I said Single Six I meant Single Six (not Bearcat) because that's what I have seen. If any of you guys are interested then please come down to Kolkata and check out for yourself. A Ruger .22 single action which looks exactly like a Single Six and has an alloy frame was lying at a gun shop under Section 21 of Indian Arms Act ever since its owner died 20 odd years ago. I tried to buy the weapons 10 years ago but failed because his sons were busy fighting legal battles against each other.

Please PM me if any of you wish to come down to Kolkata (at your own risk and expense) for physical inspection of the revolver. I know the shop owner. I can find out if he still has the revolver and fix an appointment. Even if he does not have it he will tell you that it has an alloy body. In fact he had a similar one in .32 S&W Long.

TC, I would love to come and would do so if I could afford the time and money at this point. A short while back, I was invited to a wedding of a friend in Kadavanthra (quite some ways away, I'm afraid), but had to decline for these reasons. But the pictures of her wedding were beautiful, and I would have loved to have gone. Unfortunately for your proposal, her wedding would have taken precedence over your eagerness to prove your point.

I think the real question here is : Did Ruger ever manufacture the old Single Six and the New Model Single Six convertible with alloy frames? The answer is YES !!

However, you are quite correct, and I am sorry to get you in a kerfluffle over the matter.

I could go through my old books, especially the Shooters Bibles and find more technical details but I leave this to the experts on this forum.

I will chup and let the experts respond to your question.

Hello,

We are straying very far from the OPs topic and his query.

Regards.

waulakh wrote:Should i make an offer of 3 lacs for the .357 or is that also on the higher side.The .22 is a single six as seen in the pics.The pics of the .357 can be seen on Ruger site on the internet.
regards

Dear W Aulakh,

Nothing prevents you from making an offer. At the same time you should keep in mind that .357 revolvers are being bought and sold for the sum quoted to you. I know of a couple of Smith and Wessons in this calibre that were sold for around Rs. 7,50,000 each recently. This is not a solitary instance of the high prices prevailing in the market for handguns, particularly in magnum calibres.

If your primary objective is self defense, a .357 is a useful calibre to have in view of its stopping power. As Sherlock Holmes said to Dr. John Watson in "The Adventure of the Speckled Band", "I should be very much obliged if you would slip your revolver in your pocket. An Eley's No. 2 is an excellent argument with gentlemen who can twist steel pokers into knots"

Regards.

waulakh wrote:Should i make an offer of 3lacs for the .357 or is that also on the higher side.The .22 is a single six as seen in the pics.The pics of the .357 can be seen on Ruger site on the internet.
regards

I think three lakh is a reasonable price for a single action 357 in good condition.

TC

Timmy you are one of the wisest guys on this forum as far as guns and military history are concerned. Had I been in your place I would have attended the marriage and forget the alloy sixshooter... I am not eager to prove anything. I just stated a fact.



TC

How about the Ammo in .357 cal. Are they easily available in market in India? Gun without ammo is like a toothless tiger.

Waulakh,
The dealer is not going to go below 6.5 lakhs, be very carefull while dealing , no advances of any kind,if at all you transact, make sure that ALL the papers are in order, preferrably take somebody who is in the know and in the meantime do check with others in the market regarding the fellows reputation.
Rs 500/- for a single .357 round.