Confiscated Handguns from criminals?

[ribaalber]

What happens to confiscated arms, handguns etc. By confiscated, I don't mean the custom confiscations, but weapons confiscated from Criminals and Terrorists.

If a Foreign made, NPB gun is confiscated by the Police or the armed forces, where does that gun end up?
Can civilians buy those guns?
Whatever happens to the hundreds of handguns that police confiscate from criminals?

I have heard "rumors" that if you have contacts, you can buy these handguns? Is it true?

Is there is other way to buy new foreign made guns, other than on TR?

[ruffian]

Hi

Actually there is a procedure for auctioning of the confiscated weapons by Govt. and anyone can participate in that. But most of the times these auctions go unnoticed. Reason is bit obvious from the following article.

I came across this few months back.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 803523.cms

A lot of weapons recovered by the state police from terrorists and criminals in the last 20 were allotted to political leaders and bureaucrats for a pittance. This came to the fore in information procured by a Bathinda resident, Charanjit Singh Bhullar, from the home department under RTI.

At least 79 .32 bore Chinese revolvers, which cost over Rs 2 lakh each in the open market in India or 7.62 MM Mauser pistol that costs over Rs 3 lakh each, were sold by the Punjab home department in the last 10 years for just Rs 25,000 each. Not only Chinese, but seven American pistols, 11 German, three English, two Spanish and many Belgian and Czech made revolvers and pistols were sold by the home department at 'subsidized' rates when buyers were political leaders or senior bureaucrats. A large number of weapons recovered by the police also included India made weapons but 'influential' buyers showed their preference for sophisticated Chinese and other foreign-made weapons.

If during the Congress regime, the Amritsar area had the lion's share of 65 weapons of the 274 weapons allotted and Bathinda district ended up with the allotment of just 10 weapons, the Akali leaders of this region are very hopeful of getting a big share this time around with their party in power. Two DCs of that time, KP Sinha (Bathinda) and Hussan Lal (Faridkot) were allotted German made .32 bore revolvers. A Congress MLA of Bathinda region and a SAD (B) MLA of Faridkot district got Chinese and Czechoslovakia made revolvers. An SGPC member was allotted a Chinese revolver.

Partap Singh Bajwa, Vijay Inder Singla (both MPs) and Santokh Singh were other beneficiaries. About a dozen DSPs in Punjab police and SDMs were also allotted the weapons. Two women, including a principal of a school in Ludhiana were other beneficiaries. Even three judicial officers (judges) were allotted these highly-subsidized weapons, revealed the RTI report.

Cheers

Nitin

[striker]

simple handguns confiscated from criminals after some period storage in government armory will be alloted to elected criminals and other criminals in plain cloth government job through silent auctions

[ribaalber]

simple handguns confiscated from criminals after some period storage in government armory will be alloted to elected criminals and other criminals in plain cloth government job through silent auctions

Hahaha.. This is more like it.

Anybody has experience trying to buy one of this?
Should I go for it if I get the chance?

[goodboy_mentor]

Before applying to buy, do an RTI with the Ministries of these departments i.e. Customs, Excise, State Police, Central paramilitary like CRPF, BSF, Army etc. to know the rules and procedures they follow to allot the confiscated firearms, the number and type of firearms available with them for allotment. Once you get these details then apply for buying. Then chase your application with RTI to know it status, to whom the weapon has been allotted etc.

[pran80]

Ribalber,

The following was being told by my dad who bought a Webley Scott revolver at such an auction about 30 years back in the state of UP.
The auctions used to take place at a district level with the DM being incharge of conducting the auction. Before the auction takes place the district administration has to get the notification published in two widely read newspapers( 1 in english and 1 in a vernacular language) informing the general public of the same. Preference to be given to those arms licence holders who have a threat to their life. The weapon to be sold to the highest bidder.

In reality what used to happen was that the administration will give out notification in newspapers but using such a font/colour/place on the page that it does not gets noticed. On the auction day preselected arms licence holders(generally babus/politicians) will assemble at the dictrict collectorate to just collect their weapons and whatever price they mutually agree to.

This system was abolished in the state of UP during the tenure of VP Singh as Chief Minister and now the confiscated guns just rot in the government depot - called nazar in local dialect.
HTH

Regards,

[sa_ali]

It would be good if we can start doing RTI on this. but i think it should not be individual as this is also a big syndicate of police and politicians.

[shooter]

Preference to be given to those arms licence holders who have a threat to their life. The weapon to be sold to the highest bidder.

Regards,

What happens if the person who doesnt have a threat to his life bids more than the person who has no such threat?

[goodboy_mentor]

Then that person who does not have a threat to his life, in order to be a successful bidder will either get a threat to his life, or will have to somehow ensure that he gets a threat to his life

[pran80]

Shooter,
Even i am as confused as you are with the wording as it really does makes no sense but then these are what the guidelines are/were(in case of UP).

Anyone has any idea if any such auction took place in recent past in other state(s)?

Regards,

[ribaalber]

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/mayaw ... gun-135286

Another article

[bondchaubey]

LOL..... Mayawati - buying an Arminius and Kalmadi - Buying a Webley.....

[dr.jayakumar]

buying confiscated weapons is next to impossible.as said more of it taken by ministers and mp's with influence.i don't know in what condition you'll get the gun after a long period of storage by the customs.
regards

[target shooter]

Shooter,
Even i am as confused as you are with the wording as it really does makes no sense but then these are what the guidelines are/were(in case of UP).

Anyone has any idea if any such auction took place in recent past in other state(s)?

Regards,

Step 1. Acquire a valid arm license ( approx. time taken .... )
Step 2. seek and thou shall find.
Liaise with local cops / SP find out if there is any ceased weapon of NPB in the MAAL KHANA.
Note the FIR and confirm if the case have been disposed by the court of law and FIR returned.
Step 3. Hire a layer oop Lawyer. The Lawyer should draft an application for you along with supportive
documents and addressed to the Chief secretary. And keep following the application.( Here you may
have to lube few palms of the office runners ha ha ha ha )
Step 4. When your application finally land up on the table of additional sec. or Commissioner home, make every
MLA, MP, High ranking Bureaucrats and Sr.IPS officers that you know in this world, to make phone call to
the officer. Please also follow up to see if the weapon in question have been called up by the
Home commissioner. If so enjoy few cans of chilled beer and cool your heel. Your application is finally
moving.
Step 5. Hang around the Commissioner home's office ( may be you may need the help of mossads, former KGB,
Cia etc. ha ha ha ) to see when the Weapon board is going to be held if so has it been passed. Usually pot
bellied police inspector is the weapon expert . if it has been passed, then.
Step 6. PRAY to God for the final. The application should magically move back to Chief Sec. or go to CM office
for being finally allotted to your name. Here you will again need those MP, MLA, Minister's phone call.
Cheers.....

Do post the pics of your weapon on IFG