Indians For Guns

hello everybody,this was our experience,i would like to share.my friend had bought a beretta model 71 .22 pistol recently.we tried the new pistol with iof .22 lr catridges,the firing was perfect but the empty catridges would not eject.so annoyed,we called the previous owner , and found that he had replaced the recoil spring.we tried several imported .22lr catridges and the result was same.when i visited tamilnadu armoury chennai,he advised me to use fmj catridges made for pistol.we tried it and bang the gun ejects perfectly.so what i infer is,.22 lr catridges used throughout the country is not suitable for a pistol.but since in a rifleclub you don't use magzine,it seems good.any comments and further advise is welcome.thank you friends,happy shooting

that is amazing pistol congratulations!

Are you sure its not just a worn extractor?

.22 pistols are very finicky about the ammo having said that the pistol should be checked by a competent gun smith to ensure that spring et al are fine. fmj cartridges must be pretty expensive compared to standard KF ammo..

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If he replaced the recoil spring with a harder one, then it would need more "oomph" to properly cycle the action. Since the copper plated imported ammo you refer to is most probably high/ hyper velocity .22 LR ammo, it has more power than standard/ match ammo therefore it is properly cycling the action while the latter is unable to do so.

If you wish to use cheaper ammo (IOF etc.) then you could try either one of the two things and see which works for you:

1) First nicely clean & lubricate the slide assembly and work it a few times to ensure that the lube spreads throughout nicely. Now work the slide back and forth a few hundred times manually - or if you have spare cash you could send a few hundred high/ hyper velocity rounds downrange Now shoot a few standard velocity rounds and see if it is cycling properly. If it is still not try step 2

2) Change the recoil spring to a slightly lighter one. Almost all big cities have specialist spring makers, locate one in your city and take the recoil spring to him. Ask him to make a copy, only just a tad softer. This should cure the problem.

Tried the above on a .22 LR semi-auto recently and did not need to go to step 2 - it now works fine with IOF .22 LR ammo, with FTF/ FTE about once every 100 rounds or so... not ideal but acceptable in something only used as a plinker. YMMV

HTH

Cheers!
Abhijeet

P.S. - This is why .22 LR semi-autos make poor defensive handguns (due to cartridge design they are prone to such problems)

to xl_target,ejector is nearly new,all parts are crisp and sharp. mundaire,i have done the step 1,i am looking for a weaker spring.but as such do you agree that iof.22 ammo is not meant for pistol?or otherwise comment please.thanks a lot friends for everything.

Like I mentioned above, the pistol I was referring to initially had a problem digesting both IOF as well as imported target ammo. After step 1, it is now working fine with IOF ammo with a few hundred rounds through it already.

Of course it still works fine with the imported high/ hyper velocity ammo but the owner is happier using IOF for plinking as it is cheaper and readily available! IOF ammo does have velocity variations though, so I would not recommended it for self-defence (carry) or target shooting.

Cheers!
Abhijeet

KF .22 infact works pretty well in handguns.

dr.jayakumar wrote:we tried several imported .22lr catridges and the result was same

That should answer your question.It is the gun and not the ammo.

thanksevery one.

Doctor, I hope you will solve the problem, but keep in mind that stoppage still can happens, it happens sometime with any pistol and it is not a tragedy if you will train and learn how to manage it.

there is a drill which you can use to get it on automatic level.

Stoppage:

check right side of the pistol
release magazine
turn gun on right side
pull the slide
push magazine back
release slide

all that can be done very fast. Also with closed eyes and by using one hand only.

check here,
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first and main mistake he made - he did not take cover. First take cover then shoot.
second he has enough time to manage stoppage, but he don't know have to do it. Result dead.

Subal das wrote:Doctor, I hope you will solve the problem, but keep in mind that stoppage still can happens, it happens sometime with any pistol and it is not a tragedy if you will train and learn how to manage it.

there is a drill which you can use to get it on automatic level.

Stoppage:

check right side of the pistol
release magazine
turn gun on right side
pull the slide
push magazine back
release slide

all that can be done very fast. Also with closed eyes and by using one hand only.

check here,
[youtube][/youtube]

first and main mistake he made - he did not take cover. First take cover then shoot.
second he has enough time to manage stoppage, but he don't know have to do it. Result dead.

FMJ (full metal jacket) ammo in .22 lr pistol.....? beats me.

Marksman

marksman.couldn't get you??''beats me'' ?

"when i visited tamilnadu armoury chennai,he advised me to use fmj catridges made for pistol."

Dr. Jayakumar,
What I wanted to say is that .22 lr ammo is never made in FMJ (full metal jacket). These kind of bullets are meant only for high velocity centerfire handgun ammo unless you bought a .22WMR pistol and were shooting .22lr ammo through it. That too it is quite unlikely for I doubt if any one imported PISTOL in caliber .22 wmr into India ever.
Marksman

PS: Please ignore my comment if they recently have come up with FMJ ammo for .22LR of which I am unaware of.

people just mistakenly calling cooper coated amo as FMJ

Marksman: Jacketed bullet .22 RF ammo was actually loaded in the US during WWII, and issued to air crews for their survival weapons, in order to comply with the Geneva Convention. While the jacket was thin compared to that of centerfire bullet, their penetration in wood was better than twice that of the standard lead bullets. But what the press likes to call "full jacketed" is normally the copper plated variety. Regards