Mark-IV ~ IOF Nirbheek titanium Revolver

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Re: Mark-IV ~ IOF Nirbheek titanium Revolver

Post by farook » Thu Jan 09, 2014 1:03 pm

supershaji wrote:So I just got a call from FGF, a polite lady asked if I had emailed a query for the gun and if I have an interest to purchase the same.

The Nirbheek's design and look are apparently exactly the same as the Mark-III. The trigger pull is also the same.

The only difference apparently is the titanium, resulting in weight of the Nirbheek being only 500gms (according to the lady on the phone).

The booking is offline and in full by DD. Forms on the FGF website.

First 15 bookings getting delivery by 31 March.
Post which, indefinite.
As I said don't have high expectation from them, you would be disappointed. The two revolvers I wish iof would make....

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Re: Mark-IV ~ IOF Nirbheek titanium Revolver

Post by Lawman » Fri Jan 10, 2014 3:52 pm

News in Times of India http://toi.in/Snbmfb

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Post by TC » Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:08 pm

the IOF Kanpur has also ordered specially designed boxes lined with velvet to make it more attractive.
Now that's interesting :wink:

Thanks Lawman. A dealer in Kolkata called me up and said a lady turned up at his shop this morning and asked, "I read this news. Now tell me how to get the licence."

I guess the story ends here....

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Post by viveks2 » Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:50 pm

Dany,

Yesterday, I booked Mark III, gentlemen from Enquiry deptt. informed that it will take 6-7 months to get Mark IV.

Thus to avoid any issues and not to exceed date for purchase of gun I ordered it :)

I will rather wait to see the response of Mark IV and Nirbheek ! :) no doubt that these two will be the best in class (IOF) but I'll stick with Mark III.

And, dany please share pics once you get your beast :)


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Post by viveks2 » Fri Jan 10, 2014 11:55 pm

Hi,

Here is the specification mentioned under FGF page for Nirbheek.

http://ofbindia.gov.in/units/fgk/downlo ... 44b539.pdf

Gun Guru's what's your take on this?


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Post by dany » Sat Jan 11, 2014 1:14 am

Vivek.. mk3 is really a good weapon. U hav made a good decision. .but I just want to push my luck. .if I can manage a extension of my al by another 3 months..bit greedy for mk4..nd sure whn I wil get it u wil be the first to see it.

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Post by viveks2 » Sat Jan 11, 2014 3:21 pm

Dany,

thanks :) sure I'll wait for pics.

anyone who has booked Nirbheek??


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Post by TC » Sat Jan 11, 2014 5:09 pm

viveks2 wrote:Hi,

Here is the specification mentioned under FGF page for Nirbheek.

http://ofbindia.gov.in/units/fgk/downlo ... 44b539.pdf

Gun Guru's what's your take on this?


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Hi Vivek,
Thanks for posting the link.

When it comes to IOF everything sounds fine on paper. Titanium is supposed to be lighter than steel and yet stronger than steel. So this revolver is supposed to be better than the standard steel version. But one needs to test fire the weapon several times and come to a conclusion. They have kept the basic design intact it seems though I could not make out what they mean by the following:

"Springs are not under fatigue during non usage" ..... :? .... As far as I know no spring is supposed to be under fatigue when not in use.
"Modified firing system eliminates chances of misfire"...... :? I thought they already have a spring loaded firing pin.

What sounds like good news are these:
"Trigger pull reduced for smooth operation"
"Interchangeability of parts"..... i.e. wit the steel models for obvious reasons

Enough of armchair opinions. Now lets wait for a real test report from a member.

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Post by viveks2 » Sun Jan 12, 2014 4:16 pm

Hi TC,

Thanks for your inputs, much appreciated ! :)

Yeah, I too think it will be better once we get some real facts after some shoots from it.

I have already booked Mark III from SAF, now let's see how smooth the process will be ;)


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Post by BowMan » Sun Jan 12, 2014 6:59 pm

So now can them Ladies now go to nearest sabziwala as say "bhaiya jara 2 pao IOF Titanium wali dena" :lol: ROTFL

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Post by Amit357 » Sun Jan 12, 2014 8:38 pm

farook wrote:If were in the market for it I would rather wait till some one else buys and then opt for it based on the feedback.
Farook the press release says that if you misfire one round then dont worry another is there" amazing tech IOF has made,that even in a Revolver,if 1 misfires the next one should fire & you wont have trouble like the Pistol. :shock: ,i am only amazed at our loyalties to our British Masters that even after 30 years or so of Webleys shutting down their Arms division,the Faithfuls at IOF are still cloning the same.One wonder does COLT,S/SW,Korth,etc,etc have to shut shop for IOF to start producing a HALF ASSESD decent firearm. :deadhorse: ,Best Amit

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Post by farook » Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:15 pm

Amit357 wrote:
farook wrote:If were in the market for it I would rather wait till some one else buys and then opt for it based on the feedback.
Farook the press release says that if you misfire one round then dont worry another is there" amazing tech IOF has made,that even in a Revolver,if 1 misfires the next one should fire & you wont have trouble like the Pistol. :shock: ,i am only amazed at our loyalties to our British Masters that even after 30 years or so of Webleys shutting down their Arms division,the Faithfuls at IOF are still cloning the same.One wonder does COLT,S/SW,Korth,etc,etc have to shut shop for IOF to start producing a HALF ASSESD decent firearm. :deadhorse: ,Best Amit

When it comes to marketing companies adopt various strategies to promote their products. A well known pen manufacturer is known to Match the Color of the Costume to associate its luxury pens with that Mega Event and sell the pens for 2 to 5 lakhs. Now what has a pen got to do with the event. Nothing at all...

IOF has its way of doing it too http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/handg ... eststories

Iof is by no means a small company. Its one of the largest in the world. As mentioned before what it needs is big players to compete with.

I have seen the webley mark 4 its nothing like the iof revolver. Apart from the grip size and angle there is nothing much to dislike about it.

Speaking of pistols the Ashani is a second attempt at reproducing the gun that triggered the world war one.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -time.html

The external design is a copy of the FN 1910 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_Model_1910

The internals a copy of Colt 1903 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_Model ... Hammerless

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Post by timmy » Sat Jan 18, 2014 4:57 am

From the BBC:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25727080

A gun designed for Indian women
By Geeta Pandey
BBC News, Kanpur

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India has launched a new handgun for women, named after a student who was gang-raped in Delhi in December 2012 and later died of her injuries. Officials say it will help women defend themselves, but critics say it's an insult to the victim's memory.


In his large office on Kanpur's Kalpi Road, Abdul Hameed, the general manager of the state-run Indian Ordnance Factory, shows me Nirbheek, the factory's tiniest gun.

"It's small, it's lightweight, it weighs only 500g [1.1lb], and it can easily fit into a lady's purse."

Hameed speaks enthusiastically about the .32-calibre revolver, praising the "special titanium alloy body, the pleasing-to-the-eye wooden handle".

"The six-shot gun is easy to handle and it can hit its target accurately up to 15m [50ft]," he explains, pointing out the word "Nirbheek" engraved on the barrel.

Although men can buy the gun too, Nirbheek is being pitched as India's "first gun for women" and to make it more attractive to them, it comes packaged in a deep maroon jewellery case.

"Indian women like their ornaments," Hameed says.

Nirbheek is a synonym of Nirbhaya - the nickname given by the Indian press to the Delhi rape victim, who could not be named under Indian laws. Both words mean fearless in Hindi.

"We generally ask our employees to suggest names for new products. We received a lot of suggestions and decided on 'Nirbheek'. We believe that women who carry this gun will feel fearless," Hameed says.

Although work to develop a lighter gun for women began before the Delhi rape, the project was fast-tracked after the crime, which sparked protests nationwide. The 23-year-old was raped, tortured with an iron bar and thrown from a moving bus.

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Women's rights activist Anita Dua (left) bought a gun about eight years ago but has never used it


Hameed says Nirbheek will deter attackers, because of the "surprise element". The factory began taking orders on 5 January and despite a steep price tag of 122,360 rupees ($1,990; £1,213), Hameed says the response has been good, with 10 guns sold and many more enquiries.

The gun's launch has led Indians to debate whether carrying a gun makes a woman safer. Ram Krishna Chaturvedi, the chief of police for Kanpur and several nearby districts, thinks it does.

"It is definitely a good idea. If you have a licensed weapon, it increases your self-confidence and creates fear in the minds of criminals," she says.

Among those wanting to buy Nirbheek is Pratibha Gupta, a housewife and student in Kanpur. She says it is "too expensive" and the process of acquiring a licence is "cumbersome", but she believes that it will be empowering.

"If the person in front of me knows that I have a gun, he will hesitate to touch me, he will know that since she has a gun, she can use it too. The gun will be my supporter, my friend and my strength."

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The handgun, marketed at Indian women, has been condemned by activists


Soon after the Delhi gang rape, large numbers of women in Indian cities began to look for ways to make themselves safer.

The Indian government introduced tougher new laws against rape, deployed more police on the streets and several cities introduced women's helplines.

But many frightened women had little faith in a largely corrupt and inefficient police force. Large numbers enrolled in self-defence classes and began stocking up on pepper spray cans. Some reports suggested there was a rise in the number of women seeking gun licences.

Shocking stories are still making headlines though, such as the case involving a Danish tourist who was attacked by a group of men earlier this week. In Calcutta a girl was gang-raped twice and then set on fire - in three separate incidents. Crime figures from India's National Crime Records Bureau suggest the number of rapes is on the rise, and that one is committed about every 22 minutes.

Against this background, the makers of Nirbheek believe they have a valuable addition to the armoury of the scared Indian woman.

Anti-gun activists, however, are appalled at the idea.

"I am horrified, shocked and angered," says Binalakshmi Nepram, founder of the Women Gun Survivors Network in the north-eastern state of Manipur, who says it's the government's responsibility to ensure the security of its citizens.

"It's ridiculous that the state is talking about arming women... The authorities saying, 'Hey woman, come there's a new gun for you which will make you safer,' is an admission of failure on their part."

Nepram, whose organisation has been studying gun violence in eight Indian states for a number of years, says having a gun doesn't "make you safer, it actually enhances your risk".

"Our research shows that a person is 12 times more likely to be shot dead if they are carrying a gun when attacked," she says.

She also says to name Nirbheek after the rape victim is an insult to the memory of Nirbhaya, because she wouldn't have been able to afford it.

"In India, the annual income of most people is less than the cost of the gun. So to suggest that this gun will make women safer is bizarre."

According to GunPolicy.org, an international firearm injury prevention group, India has 40 million privately-owned firearms - second only to the US - but only 6.3 million or 15% of them are legal. There are no accurate estimates of how many women are armed.

Manjit Singh, whose family owns five gun shops in Kanpur, says women in India rarely carry guns, and if they own one it is likely to be because they inherited it from their father or husband.

"No woman in India carries a gun. I've never seen it in my life," he says.

"In the last 10 years, we've seen maybe one or two women who've come to our shop for a gun. Women possess licences - in my home there are six women and they all have licences and they all have guns, but they have been bought by the men in the house."

Most public places in India do not allow guns - and many offices, malls, cinemas, theatres and markets are equipped with metal detectors to enforce this.

Even if the Delhi rape victim had owned a gun, he says, it would not have been much help, considering she was returning home after watching a film in a theatre in a mall where she wouldn't have been allowed to carry her weapon.

And if she had been armed, and she had shot any of her attackers the chances are she would have spent the rest of her life in jail on charges of murder, he says.

Anita Dua, a women's rights activist in Kanpur who acquired a gun about eight years ago, says she's never had a chance to use it.

"I work for women's issues and have been instrumental in sending many people to jail so I have made lots of enemies.

"I bought this revolver for personal safety, but I'm not allowed to carry it to most places, so it just remains, locked up in my house, gathering dust."


Guns in India

India guns
Estimated total number of guns: 40 million
Number of registered, legal guns: 6.3 million
Estimated guns held illegally: 33.7 million
Only 15% of privately owned guns are legal
Firearms per 100 people: 3.36
India is second only to US in the number of privately-held guns
Source: Gun Policy




In India, the annual income of most people is less than the cost of the gun”

Binalakshmi Nepram
Women Gun Survivors' Network



How hard is it to acquire a gun?

First you have to get a licence.

Applicants have to be at least 21 years old, and must prove a "genuine reason", such as a threat to their life, or an interest in target shooting.

Revenue authorities and police carry out a "thorough check" of the applicant's background. They must undergo a medical check-up to prove they are physically healthy, of sound mind, and able to handle a weapon. If the applicant has a criminal record, their request is turned down.

Civilians can only own handguns. They are not allowed to possess automatic firearms.

A person can own a maximum of three guns and the licence has to be renewed every three years.

Source: Kanpur police
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Post by timmy » Sat Jan 18, 2014 5:02 am

Looking at the first picture in the article I posted above, I do wonder whether the small hands of a woman are able to cope with this revolver, especially when shooting it in double action mode.

Still, I think it is a wonderful idea that IOF is marketing this gun. It may be too expensive, and it may not be particularly well-suited for its intended users, but it certainly aims at the lack of protection for women in society -- the admission that they are not safe is plain by selling such a gun.

If nothing else, this should get people thinking.

I very much hope that if some women come to this forum, seeking some help on how to go about getting one of these, some of our members will be able to help in a concise and gentlemanly way!
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Post by farook » Sat Jan 18, 2014 12:56 pm

This statement needs clarification. " And if she had been armed, and she had shot any of her attackers the chances are she would have spent the rest of her life in jail on charges of murder, he says. "

Actually NO. There are sections of IPC 98 to 103 which describe in detail the right to defend ones life, property both movable an immovable.

Further the Bangalore City Police web page clarifies this and i quote...." In case Dacoits strike your house or your neighbours’s house do not hesitate to open fire in Self Defense. Your are protected by Law and this would dissuade the dacoits from attaching any house in the area "

http://bcp.gov.in/crimeprevention/burglers.html

The illegal guns as mentioned were at some point of time legal. They are actually stolen either from private owners or the police. The illegal guns as you may call them are made either in Durra Adam Kher in Pakistan or in certain parts of UP and Bihar. These end with either the taliban in Kashmir or with the naxalites. Dont think they could possibly include this number....

Carrying a gun in a shopping mall would be restricted in any part of the world. You can however keep it in your vehicle which would be parked inside the mall. Local markets usually don't have any kind of metal detectors...
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