9 MM Pistol prohibited bore in India or Kerala?

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Re: 9 MM Pistol prohibited bore in India or Kerala?

Post by renjith747 » Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:50 pm

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renjith747 wrote:If the person is a sports person and shoots pistol he can have 9 mm pistol excluding parabellum.Recent notification from the govt says it clearly.This is one and only easiest way to procure 9mm in India under present situation.

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Re: 9 MM Pistol prohibited bore in India or Kerala?

Post by farook » Fri Jul 12, 2013 11:10 am

renjith747 wrote:
farook wrote:
renjith747 wrote:If the person is a sports person and shoots pistol he can have 9 mm pistol excluding parabellum.Recent notification from the govt says it clearly.This is one and only easiest way to procure 9mm in India under present situation.

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Now tell us where you got this one from

Farook, Kindly avoid demanding questions further.This is a great forum and there are people here who got great knowledge and willing to share it.So please remember to ask your questions politely.Thank you.

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Re: 9 MM Pistol prohibited bore in India or Kerala?

Post by farook » Fri Jul 12, 2013 11:13 am

Hi ashok, Thanks for the gazette. Could you elaborate on the "holding a 9 mm excluding parabulum please." Does it mean that all state level rifle association members can now have access to a 9mm.
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Re: 9 MM Pistol prohibited bore in India or Kerala?

Post by winnie_the_pooh » Fri Jul 12, 2013 2:58 pm

Farook,

You can buy a 9mm pistol on a NPB license...but do you know which 9mm is being discussed here?

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Re: 9 MM Pistol prohibited bore in India or Kerala?

Post by Vikram » Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:15 pm

Farook and Renjith, May be you two gents should get on your horses and have a jousting match :mrgreen: ?

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Easy gents, it is easy to misread the tone of what the other person is saying on the internet. I am sure no offence was intended.
farook wrote:Hi ashok, Thanks for the gazette. Could you elaborate on the "holding a 9 mm excluding parabulum please." Does it mean that all state level rifle association members can now have access to a 9mm.
Farook, Winnie asks a good question.

The 9mm that falls under the so called prohibited bore is the 9X19NATO/Parabellum/Luger.


There are various other 9mm pistol cartridges such as the 9X18 Makarov etc, which fall under the NPB category.

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Re: 9 MM Pistol prohibited bore in India or Kerala?

Post by farook » Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:18 pm

Any info on .380 ( 9 short or 9 * 17 ) Is it npb as of now
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Re: 9 MM Pistol prohibited bore in India or Kerala?

Post by Vikram » Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:33 pm

farook wrote:Any info on .380 ( 9 short or 9 * 17 ) Is it npb as of now
Your best reference for PB and NPB calibres is here.

http://indiansforguns.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2780


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Re: 9 MM Pistol prohibited bore in India or Kerala?

Post by goodboy_mentor » Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:41 pm

The crux of this question has already been answered a number of times on this forum. I would request you to please read and understand the basics of Arms Act 1959 and its Rules. May I ask what is your understanding of PB and NPB? If the concept is not clear then read SCHEDULE -I of Arms Rules 1962. If still not able to understand please feel free to ask.
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Re: 9 MM Pistol prohibited bore in India or Kerala?

Post by farook » Fri Jul 12, 2013 5:01 pm

I would appreciate if you elaborate on this please good boy mentor. Not just me but many others have doubts on pb and npb. I have gone thought the arms act and arms rule. Even if 9* 17 and 9 * 18 is a npb where can you get the ammo from..
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Re: 9 MM Pistol prohibited bore in India or Kerala?

Post by Vikram » Fri Jul 12, 2013 5:07 pm

farook wrote:I would appreciate if you elaborate on this please good boy mentor. Not just me but many others have doubts on pb and npb. I have gone thought the arms act and arms rule. Even if 9* 17 and 9 * 18 is a npb where can you get the ammo from..
Farook, did you read the link I posted? It very clearly explains what is PB and what is NPB. You can get the ammo at the dealers for them.
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Re: 9 MM Pistol prohibited bore in India or Kerala?

Post by farook » Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:58 am

Correct me if I a wrong. 19*17 and 19* 18 are prohibited bores as per the arms act of 1959. Under the revision as per the gazette its npb if you fall under one of the three catogories
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Re: 9 MM Pistol prohibited bore in India or Kerala?

Post by goodboy_mentor » Sat Jul 13, 2013 12:22 pm

Correct me if I a wrong. 19*17 and 19* 18 are prohibited bores as per the arms act of 1959.
No they never were PB, neither they are PB. Don't confuse yourself. The firearms of Category I((b) and (c) of SCHEDULE - I of Arms Rules 1962 have been given a misleading name "prohibited bore" by clever babus. The term "prohibited bore" does not exist in Arms Act 1959 or Arms Rules 1962. Please read this http://indiansforguns.com/viewtopic.php ... 28#p174447
Under the revision as per the gazette its npb if you fall under one of the three catogories
I do not have words to describe these babus who have issued Notification without understanding or using their mind. When something is not prohibited under the law then question of issuing exemption from it does not arise. They were always in Category III(a) of SCHEDULE - I of Arms Rules 1962.

Even if by any stretch of some wild imagination they fall in Category I(c) of SCHEDULE - I of Arms Rules 1962, still no exemption is required. If one reads row number three of Schedule II of Arms Rules 1962, the only legal difference between Category I and III is that for Category I the licensing authority is MHA. The "Purpose" in column 2 is same for both, in other words the level of rights of applicant are same for both. Also the Form number III is common for both in column 8. The "Conditions" in column 9 are blank for both, meaning no special or extraordinary conditions are required under law for license for Category I firearms. The Schedule II can be read here http://www.abhijeetsingh.com/arms/india ... le_II.html
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Re: 9 MM Pistol prohibited bore in India or Kerala?

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Re: 9 MM Pistol prohibited bore in India or Kerala?

Post by farook » Sat Jul 13, 2013 4:28 pm

If you can clarify on one more point please. When applying for a arms license I asked them if could get two pistols of .32 if don't want a shotgun. They said only one weapon can be given per category. One rifle, one shotgun and one pistol/ revolver. I cant find this in the arms act. The act does say you can get up to three weapons though.
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Re: 9 MM Pistol prohibited bore in India or Kerala?

Post by goodboy_mentor » Sat Jul 13, 2013 5:10 pm

What they are saying is absolute nonsense. It is three firearms in any combination. Your observation is correct. There is also High Court judgment related to this matter, it can be read here http://indiansforguns.com/viewtopic.php ... 89#p113930
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