In your opinion, which is the best handgun ever made?

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Re: In your opinion, which is the best handgun ever made?

Post by Hammerhead » Fri Sep 07, 2012 9:13 am

Skyman wrote:Lets say the one and only handgun, which is suitable for many purposes, like a white shirt or jeans.
It will take us some 300 years to come to a conclusion.

What's the next question, " In your opinion, which is the best cartridge ever made" ?

Last 100 years the debate is still going full bore, which one is best 30-06 or 270.

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Re: In your opinion, which is the best handgun ever made?

Post by xl_target » Fri Sep 07, 2012 9:52 am

Last 100 years the debate is still going full bore, which one is best 30-06 or 270.
Hey, I know the answer to that one. It is the .280 :D
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Re: In your opinion, which is the best handgun ever made?

Post by Skyman » Fri Sep 07, 2012 10:41 am

ROTFL :clap: :clap: Keep it coming gents.
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Re: In your opinion, which is the best handgun ever made?

Post by BowMan » Fri Sep 07, 2012 11:49 am

Best Handgun ever made...I really don't know it's too difficult to answer. But let me break it down a bit;

Best Revolver all round - Colt Python 6 inch 357 mag in blued finish late 50's or 60's

Best Service Revolver - Colt Official Police 4 inch 38 special Prewar

Best Concealed Carry Revolver - Colt Marshall 2 inch 38 special

Best Smith - Smith & Wesson Model 29 in 44 Magnum 6 1/2 Inch ...do ya feel lucky punk...well do ya
(yes I am a bit biased in favor of Colt's but Dirty Harry did for Smith what generations of dedicated gunsmiths could not do for Colt)

I guess Smith & Wesson Model 19 comes a close second. Its hard to find a revolver that packs more "bang for the buck" than this Bill Jordan's masterpiece.

Best Military Revolver - Colt Single Action Army Model 1873 'peacemaker' in 45 colt

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Re: In your opinion, which is the best handgun ever made?

Post by timmy » Sat Sep 08, 2012 4:30 am

This sort of question is simply too difficult to answer from an analytical perspective. There are too many disparate uses for handguns, which require too many different trade-offs in design for one handgun to deserve the title of "best." Another point here would be, does one factor in the influence a specific handgun had on the design of handguns?

That question gives away where I am heading. I don't think that there could possibly be a best -- it does not, nor cannot exist -- but my answer is the Browning 1911.

For one thing, the design is so influential -- the locking short recoil action has been copied and refined in so many ways. The toggle link is sometimes replaced by a ramp, such as in the Hi Power. Or, rather than interlocking ridges in slide and on barrel, one has a lump that fits the ejection port. There is the development of the staggered magazine, another Hi Power innovation.

But in the end, the 1911 is the granddaddy of them all, and blazed the way. It also remained viable for a considerable length of time. Revolutionary when introduced by the US Army, its design was timely through 2 world wars and well beyond.

Not only has it served as an excellent battlefield sidearm and self-defense arm, it has also soared to the apex of competition accuracy. It is true that it has received the attention of many many gifted people who altered, engineered, and refined the manufacturing tolerances and defects, but this is due, in a large part, because the basic design permitted this.

There are two arguments I'm going to brush over in making this statement:

First, I'm not going to get into the 7 x .45 ACP versus 14 x 9mm P debate. The 9mm P is a good round for its purpose. I have such a handgun. However, my preference is still with the .45 ACP, not only for self defense, but also for accuracy, an area in which the .45 ACP excels.

Second, there's the debate of pistol versus revolver. I own revolvers, both single and double action, and am well recognized by those who know me as a strong aficionado of the modified Schmidt Galand action of the Colt series of double action handguns. I love shooting them and admiring them for their manufacturing finish and excellence, their refined design, and their tactile feel of operation. But to me, a revolver will always remain an older design, as compared to a pistol -- something from "a time gone by."

So, my vote would go to the 1911. Nothing feels as good as mine does in my hands.
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Re: In your opinion, which is the best handgun ever made?

Post by Skyman » Sat Sep 08, 2012 9:42 am

Timmy, have you tried kimber guns? Are they an improvement over the 1911 design available today?
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Re: In your opinion, which is the best handgun ever made?

Post by xl_target » Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:26 am

Skyman wrote:Timmy, have you tried kimber guns? Are they an improvement over the 1911 design available today?
I've shot a Kimber. They are very nice (when they work). Very accurate and a joy to shoot.

The original 1911 can be a little loose like the ones used by US forces. They will keep working in miserable conditions. Many of the high end 1911's made today are beautifully machined and finished and they are TIGHT. That very tightness can work against them. I've read many complaints about problems with Kimbers but then you only hear about the ones that have had problems. I also know someone personally who had a very bad experience with his brand new Kimber that even multiple visits to the factory never fully cured.

Every tool is a compromise geared towards what it will be used for. The 1911 design doesn't have to prove itself after 100 years of use. However, there are still manufacturers who can screw up the design.

1911: The Pros
Proven design
Large caliber
Has multiple safeties
Slim grip fits a large number of hands.
Original GI version has very basic sights.

1911: The Cons
Has too many safeties.
Low ammo capacity

As a carry gun, I prefer a gun that you draw and just pull the trigger. In a moment of high stress, one can forget to drop the safety and then be in trouble. However, that is a training issue and not a real drawback of the tool. The 1911 has been used very succesfully by the US military, cops, etc
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Re: In your opinion, which is the best handgun ever made?

Post by gladiatornavi » Sat Sep 08, 2012 12:02 pm

being a member of forces and by participating in various shooting competition , in all the weapons that i had fired in handguns my choice would go for....
1) Glock 17.
2) Berratta.
3) Browning Semi Auto High power.
4) Indian Auto 9mm.(clone version of Browning)
5) My uncle Webley & Scott .38
6) my Webley & Scott .32

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Re: In your opinion, which is the best handgun ever made?

Post by Skyman » Sat Sep 08, 2012 12:18 pm

XL, can kimber's double stack mag which doubles ammo capacity be used on regular 1911's with some modding?

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Re: In your opinion, which is the best handgun ever made?

Post by Baljit » Sat Sep 08, 2012 1:03 pm

i dont know about anybody else but i am big fan of 1911 and i have four 1911 guns. i also have CZ75 in 40S&W, i did not buy this gun i won this in shooting competition back in 2007 but still my first choice is 1911.


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Re: In your opinion, which is the best handgun ever made?

Post by timmy » Sun Sep 09, 2012 1:03 am

Timmy, have you tried kimber guns? Are they an improvement over the 1911 design available today?
Skyman, I don't have any experience with a Kimber. However, I highly doubt that any double stack magazine would work in a 1911. The two alternatives would be, using one of the 8 round magazines that are made for the 1911 (I cannot attest to their reliability to feed, either positive or negative) or get one of the longer magazines that protrude from the magazine well.
The original 1911 can be a little loose like the ones used by US forces. They will keep working in miserable conditions.
My Dad was on his regimental target team in the US Army before WW2. He said that preparing an issue 1911 started with stripping down as many pistols as possible, and then select fitting parts to come up with an accurate one. Closely fitting a slide to the frame was accomplished with the aid of a vise.
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Re: In your opinion, which is the best handgun ever made?

Post by Katana » Sun Sep 09, 2012 1:07 am

Do we have a choice, here in India? One would be lucky to get a 70 year old Webley in decent nick!
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Re: In your opinion, which is the best handgun ever made?

Post by Hammerhead » Sun Sep 09, 2012 1:26 am

Skyman wrote:XL, can kimber's double stack mag which doubles ammo capacity be used on regular 1911's with some modding?

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I haven't shot Kimber myself but given the dimensions of single stack 8 rounds magazine, hardly any chance. You need some major design alterations and that is not going to be called a 1911, may be a Glock ,imo - Haji
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Re: In your opinion, which is the best handgun ever made?

Post by TwoRivers » Sun Sep 09, 2012 6:09 am

Quite often the "trouble" with the .45 ACP and M1911 Colt pistol lie strictly with the shooter. They have heard so much of the terible recoil, and "can't hit a barn door with them", that they have become afraid, and flinch and pull their arm back before they ever pull the trigger. Any recoil operated handgun must be held firmly to work correctly, and work everytime. Especially a tightly fitted M1911 type gun. The usual well-fitted recoil operated semi-auto needs about two hundred rounds through it before working reliably.

I vividly remember a beefy young man who wanted a 1911 Colt Mark V, just as his dad had gotten. Well, he no sooner had the gun that he complained that the gun was stove-piping at best, or not ejecting at all. Asked my son, who was acquainted with the fellow, to run a few magazines of different ammo through the gun, and the gun worked flawlessly. But not for the young man, regardless of what ammo he used. So I told him to get every brand of ammo he could get, and bring the gun back out. If the gun didn't work as it should, I'd pay for the ammo, and replace the gun, or take it back. He did as I had asked, but declined to fire it, and I ran a magazine of each brand through the gun, without any hitch. By then the gun was smoking hot. After letting it cool I persuaded him to try it himself, and the problem became immediatly apparent. He was flinching before he ever pulled the trigger, and firing as limp-wristed and limp-armed as one can possibly be. After about an hour of of coaxing and coaching the gun started to work for him, too. He left happy, though a bit chastened.

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Re: In your opinion, which is the best handgun ever made?

Post by xl_target » Sun Sep 09, 2012 9:32 am

Skyman wrote:XL, can kimber's double stack mag which doubles ammo capacity be used on regular 1911's with some modding?

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Some manufacturers do make a "double stack 1911" but you have to widen the grip to accommodate the magazine. If you do that is it a true 1911 anymore? That is up to the user to decide.
One reason that I like the 1911 because of its trim grip. Going double stack would change that, for me at least.

Some double stack 1911's
Para 14.45
Para Warthog
BP Ten Pro (Kimber)
Kimber Ten II

Double stack 1911's are a small part of most manufacturer's sales. Not that many people choose to go for them.
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