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Hi all, Does anyone have an idea of the price of a Webley and Scott DBBL in good condition. I just came across one at an armoury in Chennai. It's a side by side, 28' inches barrel without hammer, in 100% condition. The owner seems to claim that only 2 shots had been fired ever since it was imported by him. It also has independent ejectors.The asking price is 2.5K
Ebenezer

Ebenezer

Is the shotgun a Box lock ejector? The expected price I should say is too high. You have quoted the price as 2.5K. I think that should be 2.5L.

I would say that this price is too high even if it a box lock ejector.I think you can pay a max of Rs 1L for this gun if its in very good condtion.There was only very beautiful Webley and Scott 12g 2 3/4 chamber with scroll engraving for sale in Hyderabad about 1 year back. The gentelman was quoting 1.25 L for it.I found out that he sold it to a dealer for Rs 85K.

I hope this information is helpful.

Ashar

Hi Ashar,

The dealer called it independent ejectors ( may be in local parlance). The spent cartridge gets ejected, while the unspent one remains in the barrel. Also, unlike in other DBBLs, this one's ejector flings out the empty shell like in single barrelled guns.
Regards
Ebenezer

ebenezer";p="45639 wrote: Hi all, Does anyone have an idea of the price of a Webley and Scott DBBL in good condition. I just came across one at an armoury in Chennai. It's a side by side, 28' inches barrel without hammer, in 100% condition. The owner seems to claim that only 2 shots had been fired ever since it was imported by him. It also has independent ejectors.The asking price is 2.5K
Ebenezer

hi ebenezer saw a Webley and Scott DBBL in poona of the same type going for 1.3k i think it is much over priced.

Thanks baracho. Waiting for the price to come down, and then apply for an additional weapon.

Ebenezer: Yes, any good ejector double would have independent (or selective) ejectors; ejectors that only throw out the fired shell, with the unfired one only being slightly lifted, as with an ordinary extractor. Only (cheap) single barrels, and the very cheapest ejector doubles will eject every time you open the breech. Don't think any English double was ever made that way. Cheers.

2.5 lacs not only expensive its exhorbitant. Most DB guns by W/S even in NIB condition won't be more than 1.0K. Just ask him has he quoted it for a single gun or a pair of DBBL Guns.

AC

Is it a model 712 ? If yes it is a good gun, Box lock, medium grade, well built and reliable. Not exactly a bespoke gun, wont handle like it but it will handle well.

It has been a very popular gun and now has been reintroduced as Model 712 and 720 by Webley Scott, made in Italy now as Birmingham facilities is a software development co. now !

712 is 12 Bore while 720 is 20 Bore.

Maximum to be shelled out for this GUn is about 1.5 Lkhs.

TwoRivers";p="45676 wrote: Ebenezer: Yes, any good ejector double would have independent (or selective) ejectors; ejectors that only throw out the fired shell, with the unfired one only being slightly lifted, as with an ordinary extractor. Only (cheap) single barrels, and the very cheapest ejector doubles will eject every time you open the breech. Don't think any English double was ever made that way. Cheers.

Hi Two Rivers,

Thanks for the info. Whichever DBBL I had come across (English) of my dad's friends and for that matter my Dad's I Hollis (hammered), do not have independent ejectors. When the barrel is opened, both cartridges, spent or unspent, come out slowly and we have to pick them out.

shahid";p="45700 wrote: Is it a model 712 ? If yes it is a good gun, Box lock, medium grade, well built and reliable. Not exactly a bespoke gun, wont handle like it but it will handle well.

It has been a very popular gun and now has been reintroduced as Model 712 and 720 by Webley Scott, made in Italy now as Birmingham facilities is a software development co. now !

712 is 12 Bore while 720 is 20 Bore.

Maximum to be shelled out for this GUn is about 1.5 Lkhs.

Shahid, I failed to check out the model no. Will do it. But going by what all say here, I feel 2.5 lks is too much for that one. However, a local MLA's son is interested in it, it seems.

art_collector";p="45687 wrote: 2.5 lacs not only expensive its exhorbitant. Most DB guns by W/S even in NIB condition won't be more than 1.0K. Just ask him has he quoted it for a single gun or a pair of DBBL Guns.

AC

AC, the dealer said this was a custom made gun sparingly used and hence the price. He had sold several other W&S pieces it seems, but not for such a higher price. I remember the same dealer asking Rs 30 K for a DBBL hammered W&S about 5 years ago. But the gun was pretty old and in not so good condition.

ebenezer";p="45710 wrote: Thanks for the info. Whichever DBBL I had come across (English) of my dad's friends and for that matter my Dad's I Hollis (hammered), do not have independent ejectors. When the barrel is opened, both cartridges, spent or unspent, come out slowly and we have to pick them out.

What you have just described are extractors NOT ejectors - both serve the same function but differ in terms of how they work. The extractors will raise the shells out slightly (both fired and unfired) so that you can manually remove them. Ejectors on the other hand will "eject" the fired shell on opening the gun so that it flies out.

Even for a NIB piece 1 lac would be the maximum you should be paying for this... and that too because the W&S name carries a bit of a premium in India...

Cheers!
Abhijeet

Hi Abhijeet,

Thanks for the info. Never knew the difference before. Hitherto, I was of the view that all SBBLs fling out the empty shells and DBBLs gently push them out.
Regards
Ebenezer

Dear ebenezer
like full auto gun and semiauto gun ,ejector in shot gun is defined to full ejector and semi ejector , the first throw the empty shell out of breech , the second pulls out half of breech and we have to manually throw it off.

cheers
striker

An ejector in an English SBS or any English / yankee/ European O/ U gun is always selective. It will eject only spent cartridges while the unfired one will remain in the chamber.

If it is alower model Webley it will be without Ejector. Webley 700 came both with ejectors and without.

QUality of Webley Scott Ejectors has not been excellent.

Not being helpful. No such thing as "semi-ejector". If the gun is a "semi-ejector", it needs to go to a gunsmith. Extractor vs. ejector. "Extract"=to pull out; "eject"=to throw out. Cheers.

Dear Ebenezer,

I don't want to sound rude but most dealers love to ask fancy prices claiming the fire arms to be either custom made or belonging to some erstwhile ruler.But what ever may be the reason the price of 2.5 is rather expensive.

AC