Indians For Guns

Hi,

I've always been a point and shoot shot gun user but have stumbled across a site with shotgun scopes, so have a couple of questions.

1. Who are they typically meant for? Hunters or skeet and trap shooters?

2. I've been looking at the scopes on this site… http://www.camp-hunt-shoot.com/categori ... gun--1.htm ... and was wondering if anyone could make a recommendation of a good unit to assist in pest control on my property.

Thanks for the help guys.

Depending upon the availability in origin of country , yes you can have scopes on the shot guns .

Now comes the second question , why you needs the scope on a shot gun for ? Trap and Skeet rarely (never) use scopes to shoot . There is not enough time and hitting a moving target at close range through scopes , I doubt any one can do it. Let alone the competition people allow you to do that.

Double barrels for hunting ducks and waterfowl rarely use heavy loads and they needs follow up shots , impossible to stay on target with multiple shots on many birds. And putting a scope on double barrel is going to be pain , I have never seen it yet .

We use , I say I use Red-Dot on my deer hunting shot gun and it's Winchester single barrel pump action , accurate only for slugs and not far beyond 50-60 yards . They are (slugs) not available in India . So why some one needs a scope , have no idea.

Self defence in India is allowed but you are not going to acquire a target under stress but shooting a follow up shot and quick shoulder mounting is required , may be some times in dark. Impossible to see through a scope.

Your money , your choice , who the F*^%K i'm , just jokes - Haji

Eh, they are OK on shotgun meant to fire slugs but still its like a tactical muzzleloading rifle with 3 point tactical sling together with red dot sight and cleaned with high silicon teflon infused oil. Some states allow only shotgun for deer hunting so some p[people prefer slugs but still the effective range is about 100 yards. Well, if you need scope to shoot 5" group at 100 yards you should not be shooting. Also accuracy doesn't matter that much while shooting buckshots.
Shotgun scopes are for guys like gecko45.

Video related

Here is a picture of last hunting season here, with my shotgun and scope.


For a shotgun scope my preferance is for a magnification of 2.5 if a fixed power, and a magnification of 1.5-4.5 if a zoom. Mine is a variable power and I most always keep it at 1.5 but on occasion I have been grateful that I can crank it up to 4.5. It is a BSA catseye. Mine has an illuminated recticule, it is a post duplex recticule which is like number 4A in this image:


I like it but personally I do not think the recticule is a big deal in a shotgun scope as you will either have time to aim or if you are in a hurry you just try to center the target in the scope and hope that works.

Like to stay on topic but there is distraction here .....

If I get a deer that size in Ontario as big as Mark, I would have a heart attack but die happy - Haji

Mark,
That is a very nice buck. Can you tell us more about your shotgun? Is that a Mossberg?

Priyan wrote:Eh, they are OK on shotgun meant to fire slugs but still its like a tactical muzzleloading rifle with 3 point tactical sling together with red dot sight and cleaned with high silicon teflon infused oil. Some states allow only shotgun for deer hunting so some p[people prefer slugs but still the effective range is about 100 yards. Well, if you need scope to shoot 5" group at 100 yards you should not be shooting.

Priyan, you shouldn't believe everything you read on ARF.com.
Many states in the US do not allow deer hunting in certain areas unless you use a shotgun. Most hunters use slugs as you usually end up with a .50 caliber (or so) projectile that you can shoot with reasonable accuracy to a distance of 75 or 100 yards. There are slugs guns available now that can shoot accurately up to 150 yards and more. Many people who shoot these slugs use slug barrels. Some of these have rifle sights (with a large bead to aid visibility). Some just have a bead. There are slug guns available now that will shoot two inch groups at 100 yards which is as good as some hunting rifles. However, your average pump shotgun, shooting slugs with a smoothbore barrel and using the bead on the barrel, will be hard pressed to give you a five inch group at 100 yards. I'd say the average is going to be closer to a two foot group.

There are two main reasons people use optical sights, one is that as you get older, you lose the ability to use the rifle sights to their maximum effectiveness and the other is that with magnification, you can place your shot where you want to. It is much easier with a scope or red-dot. Whereas, often at the extreme end of their effective range, the bead on the iron sights covers too much of the deer to accurately place your shot. If you care about shot placement and bringing your deer down humanely, you should do everything possible to do so.

Also accuracy doesn't matter that much while shooting buckshots.
Shotgun scopes are for guys like gecko45.

Actually you're quite incorrect Priyan. Not many people use buckshot when shooting deer. I, personally,don't know anyone who uses buckshot for deer hunting. Buckshot spreads out too much unless and you are really close, you have a good chance of missing your quarry.

I often hear people denigrating night sights or an illuminated reticle. For those who actually go out in the woods and hunt, there are many times as the sun rises (or sets) where you can clearly see your quarry but not the bead on your iron sights. These are the times when an illuminated sight is handy. Ethical hunters who cannot see their sights clearly, will pass on the shot rather than risk wounding the deer. This can mean coming home empty handed. When people make ignorant comments like that, if you ask them if they hunt, quite often the answer will be "no".

Gecko45 types don't hunt. Hunting very rarely provides instant gratification.


To answer the OP's question, unless you are hunting with slugs, you do not need a scope. For home defense, as haji mentions, you do not need a scope.

XL,

The deer I shot about 400 yards behind my back door, though it is heavily wooded so you can't see that far. I shot him at about 35 yards. He was heading towards me at an angle and while he kept getting closer I was starting to get scared he would finally see me and then bolt.

I load my own slugs, I use the "dangerous game slugs" from Ballistic Products and it hit the chest and heart and passed through and out the other side. He ran about 75 feet then stopped and then dropped. It was the 3rd day hunting and he was the 14th deer I had seen.

And you are correct, my gun is a Mossberg 695 rifled barrel 12 gauge. The scope as mentioned is a BSA catseye 1.5-4.5 variable with an illuminated recticule. I do not have many pictures posted online of it but I found this one, which can give people an idea of the size and length:


To put it in perspective, the gun above it is a Model 70 and the one above that is a RWS 45 air rifle.

That put things in clear perspective, right from airgun to shotgun .

That buck is really amazing.

thanks for sharing the pics.

sa_ali wrote:That put things in clear perspective, right from airgun to shotgun .

That buck is really amazing.

thanks for sharing the pics.

Thank you for the compliment but I posted it primarily to establish what shotgun scopes are actually used for. There is quite a bit of misinformation on occasion and I thought that XL Target did a very good job on explaining it to Priyan, but I did feel somewhat obligated to take issue the Priyans remark about them, as he is simply wrong in his beliefs.

The part I think is funniest is that this isn't even the largest deer I have shot, it was simply the most recent deer I have shot!