Best Indian Dbbl

[Himachal]

Which Indian Shot gun( With Highest Effective Firing Range in Indian DBBl ) are the Best. Highest Effective Firing Range in Indian DBBl are. And also its accquercy

MY FRIENDS I want your openion about 12 gage SXS of VISCO Mandi. Is it the best shotgun. some body tell me that after approvel of IOf, they alter the gun cut the barrel and others. I heard that if u find accquracey it is not possibel with VISCO MANDI. kindly help me. What about his firing Range and accquercy.Visco effective firing are

[Baljit]

Mr. pistol i dont think you have any idea what are you doing because you ask us same think in here

http://indiansforguns.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=16915

http://indiansforguns.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=16917

Now i am going to ask you Why did you start three different topic with same questions?

Baljit

[goodboy_mentor]

Yes no point in posting same question at three places. The range of shotgun depends on its level of choke and shot size used. Also if a slug is used, it will go the farthest. May also read this http://indiansforguns.com/viewtopic.php ... 20#p146420 and also use the search box.

[gverma]

They are all equally bad.
I would suggest just buy any 12 gauge shotgun, they will all have the same effective range which in shotguns is much less than rifle.

[Himachal]

/u] (MY FRIENDS I want your openion about 12 gage SXS of VISCO Mandi. Is it the best shotgun. some body tell me that after approvel of IOf, they alter the gun cut the barrel and others. I heard that if u find accquracey it is not possibel with VISCO MANDI. kindly help me. What about his firing Range and accquercy)[uXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXMessage deleted cause of shouting. You had better pick up net etiquette really fast, people may nat have the experience of your particular shotgun, so pipe down. Stop thread hijacks and starting multiple threads. This is against forum rules and you will be banned. Mod

[goodboy_mentor]

Why are you raising new threads for same topic repeatedly? Why can't you stick to the same thread? As already told the quality of locally made shotguns is inconsistent. No point in getting agitated on the forum. Even if you ask Visco they will not be able to provide test data. Try asking them test results if they have done any.

Your question has already been answered in this thread http://indiansforguns.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=16916 Already told that range of shotgun depends on choke and shot size. Shotgun with full choke will constrict the shot more than shotgun with no choke. Also bigger size shots will carry energy longer distance than small size shots. Also different loads from same or different manufacturers will give different results. Range of shotguns is usually around 30 to 40 yards. With a slug it can be around 60 yards. Beyond that the accuracy will suffer if slug is fired from smooth bored barrel. You can hit upto around 100 yards or more if the slug is fired from a rifled shotgun barrel. But rifled barrels are not manufactured by Indian shotgun manufacturers.

If you are so much concerned about range and accuracy, either test fire the shotgun in some shooting range before purchasing or go for a rifle.

If you want to understand choke and pattern may read this 'http://www.chuckhawks.com/where_pattern_today.htm

[Himachal]

I know that firinge range are depends upon choke and shot shell. I used Shaktiman 4.8(70mm) and IOf Astram( 70mm). But hit the target only 25 metes with the Choke barrel. I fired 50 to 70 rounds in it but, the result are same. Than i thought to go to the IFG sight and want the suggestion. I had purchased it in jan 2012 amount are 32500. dealer says me that its firing range are 100 yard with a odinary ammunation like iof special 65 mm cartidge. After that i contact with the owner of Viscoo factory. He says that range of gun are 150 yards and test pressure of the barrel are 10 tons, but it is not a Nitro Proof Barrel . Can I replace this gun is there any procedure, if i go to a dealer and request for replace with a same gun

[goodboy_mentor]

You have measured only one variable factor i.e. the distance of target is 25 meters and you are able to hit target up to 25 meters. What is the measure of other variables?

What is the level of choke in your gun? There are various levels of choke like skeet choke, improved cylinder, full choke etc. For details you may read this 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shotgun#Pattern_and_choke

How much percentage of shot(percentage of the total quantity of lead pellets in one cartridge) is able to hit the target at 25 meters? In other words how much big circular area the lead pellets are hitting at 25 meters? This will give you an idea about the type of choke in your shotgun.

What happens to the lead pellets beyond 25 meters? Is the circular area hit by the shot increasing or decreasing in size? Or the lead pellets are flying in some other direction?

What is the target size you are trying to hit? Like are you trying to hit a small object at and beyond 25 meters or some large object. To know what is going on, try using a large object as target like something at least 3 feet by 3 feet or more.

For Shaktiman cartridges you have mentioned pellet size as 4.8 mm. What is the pellet size for IOF Astram cartridges you used for testing? Performance of Astram cartridges is given at IOF website 'http://ofb.gov.in/products/data/ammunition/sc/15.htm If the purpose of knowing about range is for self defense, I doubt whether these pellet sizes less then size of #1 buck shot(7.62 mm/.30 inch) will have energy to penetrate deep enough to hit vital organs and stop the attacker. To understand may read this 'http://www.chuckhawks.com/home_defense_shotgun_ammo.htm Unfortunately shotgun cartridges having multiple pellets having sizes of 5 mm or more are banned in India. And the next best thing would be to use slugs.

There are so many things you need to investigate in a scientific manner before coming to a scientific conclusion about range and accuracy.

The range of 100 yards or 150 yards that is being told by dealer or manufacturer is probably with rifled slugs. Have you confirmed if your shotgun choke allows safe firing of rifled slugs? A smooth barreled shotgun firing a rifled slug will be accurate up to 50 - 60 yards. Beyond that accuracy will decrease but the slug itself will remain very dangerous well beyond 50 yards.

Why would dealer or manufacturer agree to replacing your gun? Also its details/serial number will be required to be entered on your license as per law.

[Sakobav]

PISTOL

Conduct some research find an IOF DBBL or sxs foreign make there is an elaborate checklist which can be used to evaluate a used gun. Another nice one recommended here is Khairudin in Jammu - it all depends on your urgency of need, budget and how far can you travel to look for one - Good luck

best

[Himachal]

1)I am used it iof Astram 1 no.
2) I can hit the target more than 25 meters.
3) I don't know the choke level of my gun.
4) Target I used it are 1 feet by 1fee
5) Total lead petteles are hit in the circual area are 7 to 8 pallets others are spred.
6) I am also used it a slug.
7) When i fired the choke barrel( left side of barrel)
Dealer says me that left side barrel are the choke barrel. He insert the small( he tell me he used it for check the choke level) road in the both barrel and little bit deference in barrel. left side barrel are little tite form right side. He tell me that you can use the Slug only in right side barrel. do not use it in choke barrel, if you used it may be brust. But you can used any others all types of cartisge buck shot and others in both barrel, But slug only in right side barrel which considered as a cylinder barrel.

I want to know one thing which is the best choke level are Sheet choke, Improved choke, full choke. Its meaning are they available in Indian made DBBL SXS. . my availaty of shoot the target are good

[sa_ali]

2) I can hit the target more than 25 meters.
Yes you should be able to hit distance, but with IOF ammo, i doubt the pattern that you will get.
3) I don't know the choke level of my gun.
It would be mentioned on the barrel, right under the chamber, its generally mentioned and if not wrong its required for proof testing too
4) Target I used it are 1 feet by 1fee
5) Total lead petteles are hit in the circual area are 7 to 8 pallets others are spred. I am also used it a slug.
Like i said, that pattern is dependent on the ammo quality and choke system, So try with better ammo, i am sure you will get better result
I want to know one thing which is the best choke level are Sheet choke, Improved choke, full choke. Its meaning are they available in Indian made DBBL SXS. i am used it for hunting in my field (land) situated in the forest.

I dont think any one will tell the best system, but yes the recommend if cylinder, improved cylinder, half choke, improved choke, it dependents on how tight you want to shoot. No indian make is offering interchangable choke system, but you can get your barrel choke opened up. usually indian make have lil tighter than cylinder and full choke barrel, this you can check anc then may be get 1 tighter constrict barrel opened up by a reliable gunsmith.

Performance evaluation is not a easy process bro, spply in india where you limited access to ammo, why would any individual spare something like 50 shoots to evaluate performance, unless its their own weapon and are doing some sports shooting. In indian market context, i dont think any one can call any particular brand as THE BEST, as they have never being compared side by side and gone through through evaluation using same set of ammo and conditions

PLEASE REFRAIN FROM MENTIONING HUNTING, ITS LEGALLY BANNED. WE DONT DISCUSS IT.

[Himachal]

my dear brother sa-ali
you daubt on iof pattern . it means the quality of iof ammo are not good. if yes i am agree with you
I also fired a Shakitman 4.8 and 1 no but the result are same. nothing are mentioned on the Barrel and right under the chamber.
They only mentioned the manafactured and 50m( 50m they considered maximum pressure of barrel can resists.

Yes choke barrel is lit tighter than a right side of barrel( which considere as a cylinder from dealer). According to this what can i thing my gun choke barrel are full choke or improved choke etc.
I am agree with you that i cannot eveluate performancem by 50 shoot. What you suggest me bro, i go to a reliable gun smith and check the choke etc.

[sa_ali]

yes, take it to a gunsmith, he should be able to tell you the constrict of your barrels.

IOF and Shaktiman, both are equally poor in terms of ammo quality. Get a box of imported ammo, it will cost more but it will give you the performance that you are looking for.

You mentioned that you had even spoken to the manufacturer, so you can call them again and ask for the chokes, what are the constricts of the choke, but any day it will be better to measure them using the bore gauge

[Himachal]

I also have the ViSCO Dbbl. I bought it last December in 25000 rupees. Its VISCO Special. Nothing mentioned under the barrel or right under the chamber. Same as only mentioned manafactured Year and 50m (Considered as a barrel pressure).but it is the nice Indian made gun



My father have a Greener GP( General Police Model)Sbbl 1955 made. I fired it a iof and shkatiman cartidge result are better from Visco

I also use my elder brother Sbbl Cousion Mandi 1964 made Nitro proop (3.25 tone of pressure proof)nice gun result are good means good range and accquercy . and with my Uncles belgium 1940 made Dbbl SxS higheat range i get . this gun are light and accquarte. . If i go for compersion I cannot say anything by fired a 50 cartidge
In Visco gun i also use the Eley ammo and other imported ammo but the result are deferent. Imported shotgun and ammo are the best.but we get here only used imported shotgun

Effective range are depends upon the shooter ability and the load you use it ( cartidge you use), barrel and Choke level in Dbbl.Buck shot have the more range to hit the target from 4.8 and BB, 1no. Slug range are more from buck shot.
According to me Indian made shotgun are not able to hit the target more than 30 meters any load ( cartidge you can use it).
as dealer say ( pistol Said) range are 100 yard its not true. Desalers only concerned with their money.

[goodboy_mentor]

An interesting observation by you. Did you take the measurements of all the three guns in a scientific manner so that the real reason for bad accuracy and range of VISCO could be inferred and same be shared here and also told to the manufacturer. I know 50 cartridges for testing three guns is not sufficient but if done in systematic manner, it may give some idea of the problem at least.

Like shooter ability, and type, load and manufacturer of cartridge can be taken as same to measure the other differences in the performance of the guns. Like measure the shot pattern shape and size on target, differences in the physical characteristics of the barrel like inside finishing quality, inside shape of barrel, length and choke size. This would give a better idea of where is the design defect that is causing poor accuracy and range.