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refilling /recrimping of shotgun ammo

Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 5:29 pm
by andy_65_in
How can one refill some IOF as also Eley 12 bore (paper) cartridges at the house without special tools.what i mean is can the redistribution of merely the shot be achieved within cartridges with local means. how can one ensure correct recrimping etc to ensure that the effectiveness of the shot doesnt dissipate or reduce if locally crimped etc. or are there any local hand crimping/ refilling machines availaible in the market and if where, i mean with the local gun dealer or anyone else.how can misfired cartridges be used again ,i mean can the firing cap of the cartridge be changed locally . i am presently near Nagpur.

Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:12 pm
by badshah0522
First of all Andy ,dont try to do these sort of things without adequate experience because it is very dangerous.
You can refill them but you wont get Powder,Pcaps,If u ll use black powder then it will damage the gun.If u use pcaps made by ur self they can result in misfire .
If any how u will be able to arrange all the stuff (re dot powder and new percussion)then also it will cost you approxmetly as the new shot.
You can contact local gun smiths in your city ,,they are selling powder & pellets which they take out from shots used for testing ( firing pins).I think they sell it for Rs10-15.
Crimping tools are easily available for Rs 400-500 in many gun shops.

Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:43 pm
by Vikram
Good advise Badshah Khan, oi. Black powder fouls the gun and you wont get proper powder. And certainly not for amateurs.Take care.Safe shooting.

Best-
Vikram

Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:24 pm
by eljefe
ANDY
inword of advice from Badshah is perfect.
DONT
instead find yourself some one who haas done this before and see if you can be guided.
there were some books on sale -Reloaders manual etc on this forum. Pick them up and read a bit.Know what happens in the cartridge and what the variables are.
Though the theory that you surmise is perfect, there's many a slip between the cup annd the lip and, ballistics is one thing you dont want to learn with one eye and hand missing,from a hospital bed ;)
Read/google/ask around -I know,a whole generation has gone on without guns and hunting, mentors are hard to find.
Best
Axx

Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:28 pm
by Vikram
Another thing I saw with our country reloaders was to overload cartridges with extra powder taken from other cartridges.The aim is to increase "power".An eminently dangerous practice apart from sore shoulders.

Best-
Vikram

Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:55 pm
by HSharief
You will get reloading information from all of the sites that make/sell powder. Once you have all the information, you're atleast a little mechanically inclined and you know what you're doing, its very simple. I use a MEC 9000G to reload my shotshells at home. Most important piece of equipment is a good weigh scale.

Here is the link to IMR Powders :

http://www.imrpowder.com/data/index.php

Re: refilling /recrimping of shotgun ammo

Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 9:22 pm
by Mark
Andy,

Is reloading legal in your province? My understanding is that it is legal in some places and not in others.

If it is legal, please feel free to send me a PM and I can explain some options for you.

If it is not legal where you live, well, you're invited to visit me here and we can use my equipment and I'll teach you all you need to know about reloading.

If you can locate one of these, they are slow but will work (it is how I got started loading shotgun shell too):

http://cgi.ebay.com/LEE-LOADER-12-GAUGE ... dZViewItem

Re: refilling /recrimping of shotgun ammo

Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 9:42 pm
by Risala
Mark,

Am curious,in the US ammo is dirt cheap yet folks choose to reload it.

Why ?

Is it cause it works out cheaper than it already is or is about the passion & excitement :)

A shot in the dark I think it's the latter.

Best

Sanja

Re: refilling /recrimping of shotgun ammo

Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:43 pm
by Mark
Sanjay,

Some ammunition is reloaded because it is a lot cheaper that way. Additonally, you can tailor a load for specific criteria, whether it is accuracy or hunting performance.

Shotgun shells however are usually cheaper to buy here than reload, however I only load my own for deer hunting, I use a rifled bore shotgun shooting slugs and it is not only cheaper to load those yourself, I get better accuracy too.

The savings are most noticeable with metallic cartridges. For instance a 30-30 can be reloaded with good performance for 2-5 INR per shot if one has a mould and casts the bullets from scrap lead himself.

Re: refilling /recrimping of shotgun ammo

Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 3:07 am
by mehulkamdar
Danish,

AFAIK reloading for personal use is permitted as long as you reload the number of cartridges as allowed on your license. Be happy to be corrected if I am wrong in this assumption.

Re: refilling /recrimping of shotgun ammo

Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:26 am
by Risala
Mark";p="18757 wrote:Sanjay,

Some ammunition is reloaded because it is a lot cheaper that way. Additonally, you can tailor a load for specific criteria, whether it is accuracy or hunting performance.

Shotgun shells however are usually cheaper to buy here than reload, however I only load my own for deer hunting, I use a rifled bore shotgun shooting slugs and it is not only cheaper to load those yourself, I get better accuracy too.

The savings are most noticeable with metallic cartridges. For instance a 30-30 can be reloaded with good performance for 2-5 INR per shot if one has a mould and casts the bullets from scrap lead himself.
Mark,
Thanks for the details,guess accuracy,perfomance and cost sums it up.
Best
Sanjay

Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:54 am
by badshah0522
Do increasing the powder is of any use?????Because according to me when we increase extra powder in shot lot of powder remains unburnt & left inside the barrel.(i have experienced several times)I thought this is happening due to looseness of piston then i placed a hard board below the piston& pressed it very tight.But then also most of extra powder was remained unburnt in side the barrel.

Edited: Too dangerous a recipe and others may try to make it, especially unlicensed persons,youngsters.Please exercise caution.Thanks.

Some one told me even changing the Load(pellets) is also illegal,,i am not sure if this theory is correct.Or may be for SG/LG only.

Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 2:27 pm
by HSharief
Reloading for me used to save a lot of money but lead cost these days, it coming out to be the same as store bought shells.

One more reason people (me too) reload is to have a hobby, all the while saving some money too ;)