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Re: Need help to buy a SHORT self defence gun

Post by TC » Sat May 19, 2012 3:32 pm

winnie_the_pooh wrote:If you visualize a situation like the "Shoot out at the OK corral" ( speed loaders/spare magazines),you would be better served by a rifle.
Exactly my thoughts. Most gunfights are over before you know it.

But I think that would be "Gunfight at O.K. Corral" the 1957 movie starring Kirk Douglas and Bert Lancaster and based on the real gunfight between Wyatt Earp and Doc Holliday.... one of my all time favourite westerns..
thanks Winnie..

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Re: Need help to buy a SHORT self defence gun

Post by TC » Sat May 19, 2012 3:35 pm

Back in the late 70s, I wanted to make up a hand-held "shotgun." This, of course, is illegal, but my recipe was to use an old British .455 revolver that had a barrel with the rifling almost, but not quite, washed out by normal service. I'd have bored the cylinder chambers through and use .45 Colt cases, loading up shot cartridges for the thing. I thought it would be quite dandy.

Tim, are you tempting me to cross the line ?? :wink: :wink:

On a serious note I am equally concerned about the safety features... lets see what lies ahead.

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Re: Need help to buy a SHORT self defence gun

Post by Safarigent » Sun May 20, 2012 12:56 am

Hi tc,
In that case, why not simply get an iof pump action shotgun? With a foldable stock, you should be good to go.
I am guessing thats the closest to your requirements?


And i guess we will all have to agree to disagree once again. Even if a gun fight may get over in a split second, i would still like a weapon i can load fast and carry a spare clip/ spped reloaded for.
But then, thats just me.
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Re: Need help to buy a SHORT self defence gun

Post by TC » Mon May 21, 2012 11:26 pm

i would still like a weapon i can load fast and carry a spare clip/ spped reloaded for.[quote][/quote]


Safarigent, I agree here. Nothing like a centre fire pistol....

IOF has stopped producing the pump. I am trying to find a second hand one in good condition but have miserably failed so far. In touch with dealers... lets see

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Re: Need help to buy a SHORT self defence gun

Post by miroflex » Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:34 pm

Hi, I had posted the followng in a new thread I had started on "Short barreled shotguns for self defence" under the"Home/Self Defence" columns. The thread was closed by a moderator who informed me that a thread already existed on the subject. I searched the column but could not find any such thread.

Perhaps he meant this thread even though it is under "Shotguns". I am accordingly posting it here. In case there is a more appropriate thread, I may very kindly be advised suitably. Thanks and regards.

A variety of indigenous hammerless short barreled shotguns are available in our gun shops now. These are generally made in Karnataka and have 22 inch barrels with pistol grip stocks instead of full stocks. Are these weapons intended for home defence or self defence? For the former purpose, they would be more useful with full stocks. If they are meant to be carried in vehicles for purposes of self defence, their shorter overall length will allow their being pointed out of the window. Nevertheless, in a saloon car or sedan, even if they are held completely out of the window, the field of fire will be less than 180 degrees. In an open car or convertible, the field of fire would be much greater. Most modern cars are however saloon bodied. Another aspect is the recoil from firing a 12 bore cartridge with only a pistol grip. The recoil is likely to be moderate to severe and if the gun is pointed at an awkward angle to the arm, may result in injury to the shooter. I would welcome forum members who may have carried and possibly used these weapons to share their experiences.

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Re: Need help to buy a SHORT self defence gun

Post by dev » Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:25 pm

When your post is about short barreled shotguns and specially since this topic is about the same...doesn't it make sense that it belongs here?
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Re: Need help to buy a SHORT self defence gun

Post by miroflex » Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:31 pm

TC wrote:
winnie_the_pooh wrote:If you visualize a situation like the "Shoot out at the OK corral" ( speed loaders/spare magazines),you would be better served by a rifle.
Exactly my thoughts. Most gunfights are over before you know it.

But I think that would be "Gunfight at O.K. Corral" the 1957 movie starring Kirk Douglas and Bert Lancaster and based on the real gunfight between Wyatt Earp and Doc Holliday.... one of my all time favourite westerns..
thanks Winnie..

:cheers:

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If I remember correctly, Wyatt Earp and Doc Holliday, the gunfighting dentist, were on the same side in this fight.

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Re: Need help to buy a SHORT self defence gun

Post by miroflex » Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:11 pm

dev wrote:When your post is about short barreled shotguns and specially since this topic is about the same...doesn't it make sense that it belongs here?
Hi Dev,

In my view my post related to Home/Self Defence and appropriately belonged to that column. I had accordingly searched threads/posts under that column before starting a new thread. I had not thought of "Shotguns" as an appropriate thread. Since you have closed the new thread started by me, I have posted in this thread under "Shotguns".

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Re: Need help to buy a SHORT self defence gun

Post by TC » Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:29 pm

miroflex wrote:
TC wrote:
winnie_the_pooh wrote:If you visualize a situation like the "Shoot out at the OK corral" ( speed loaders/spare magazines),you would be better served by a rifle.
Exactly my thoughts. Most gunfights are over before you know it.

But I think that would be "Gunfight at O.K. Corral" the 1957 movie starring Kirk Douglas and Bert Lancaster and based on the real gunfight between Wyatt Earp and Doc Holliday.... one of my all time favourite westerns..
thanks Winnie..

:cheers:

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Hi,

If I remember correctly, Wyatt Earp and Doc Holliday, the gunfighting dentist, were on the same side in this fight.

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Right you are Miroflex.... They faught Billy Clanton and brothers ... losing memory with age it seems .... thanks

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Re: Need help to buy a SHORT self defence gun

Post by dev » Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:44 am

miroflex wrote:
dev wrote:When your post is about short barreled shotguns and specially since this topic is about the same...doesn't it make sense that it belongs here?
Hi Dev,

In my view my post related to Home/Self Defence and appropriately belonged to that column. I had accordingly searched threads/posts under that column before starting a new thread. I had not thought of "Shotguns" as an appropriate thread. Since you have closed the new thread started by me, I have posted in this thread under "Shotguns".

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Hi Miroflex,

The forum rules require that you post an introduction, with details of firearms experience and the ones owned and what you do in life, along with your location (real not imaginary or misleading ones). Please do this ASAP, to avoid any further inconveniences.

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Re: Need help to buy a SHORT self defence gun

Post by miroflex » Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:04 pm

Hi Dev,

Thank you for your suggestion. I hate talking about myself but have managed to put an introduction. You may care to glance through it.

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Re: Need help to buy a SHORT self defence gun

Post by YogiBear » Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:28 am

Aloha,

Just found this:

http://www.davide-pedersoli.com/scheda- ... ction.html

As I undersand, it is Legal here in the US. Because it is a Reproduction Black Powder US Civil War

Cavalry firearm. Has 11.25 INCH long barrels. Over all length is about 27 inches.

Also, maybe this might be something to consider:

http://www.davide-pedersoli.com/tipolog ... unter.html

Don't know if they are legal in India. Maybe the Howdah pistol is grandfathered?

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Re: Need help to buy a SHORT self defence gun

Post by Tourblanche » Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:01 am

If laws in India were anything similar to Canadian ones , percussion pistols are not allowed
to be carried around .

If maximum efficiency is not legally available , lets go with the maximum available .

If it is not possible to be armed all the time , lets be armed to the max , when possible

If it is not possible to carry firearms , lets have firearms available in more than one location .

One thing than is made in India , is inexpensive , and powerfull is ....

Image

http://www.militaryheritage.com/musket9.htm

Even shorter ones are available here http://www.narayansports.com/

I know it sounds funny , but

this is not a joke ,as we say here , the target does not care what sent the lead .

I take for granted that everybody here is honest and follows local laws but when firearms are used ,
everything becomes suddenly legally complicated . Such man who was defending his family is suddenly suspect
just because he owned a firearm . I can not imagine a judge who would think that the owner of a
18 th century blunderbuss reproduction was either a criminal or a terrorist .

More than one can be bought for less than the price of a modern handgun , probably without any legal paperwork ? and stored
in different location .

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Re: Need help to buy a SHORT self defence gun

Post by TC » Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:00 pm

Tourblanche, certain things are just not possible in India. One of them is moving around with ML guns and percussion caps for self defence. If you go through different threads in this forum as well as this one you will surely know what I mean. But I do appreciate your concern.

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Re: Need help to buy a SHORT self defence gun

Post by Tourblanche » Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:06 pm

Wich is why I suggested keepin a different gun in various locations .

If it is not possible to have a gun 100 % of th time , at least it is better to have one 60 % of the time
rather than 0 % .

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