Need help to buy a SHORT self defence gun

[Sakobav]

This is first time I saw an Indian gun manufacturer link..we have in the past tried to impress on some so called gun company folks from Jammu I think. But its easy to preach since these guys are in trenches and dont know there challenges. But its worth the while to reach out to such folks and see if they could participate in discussion - Isnt munger some how linked to a Jail or the units are in a secure place?

Any check this site there is a video posted where a shooter had his jaws knocked off firing a pistol grip or hockey stick shotty. After taking safety classes for my hunting license saw multiple videos where loaded shotty and rifle went off inadvertently while jumping a fence, dropped or reaching for the gun in confined space like car etc. I would nt carry a loaded shotty or rifle with or without safety in a car.

Good luck TC - try contacting Khairudin in Jammu see if they have a better one

Do post more about your hunt


Cheers

[TC]

As per the Arms Act shortening the length of a gun barrel can only be done by a licensed gunsmith who has this activity specifically endorsed on his gunsmith license... makes sense or not, that my friends is the law!

Cheers!
Abhijeet

To add to what you have rightly pointed out, the authorities add the word "modification" to the gunsmith's licence which otherwise empowers him to only repair weapons. I know of only two gunsmiths in Bengal who had the so-called "modification" licence. One of them used to work for the Kolkata Police police armory.

Cheers !
TC

[TC]

TC,

You may consider getting an appropriate holster from US that makes conceal carry quite easy and after sometime, you may not even notice it. I am sure you must have tried it, but that's just a thought.

You can also consider sourcing an IOF Pump gun for civilians.Difficult they say,but you never know.

http://indiansforguns.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=10627

Best-
Vikram

Thanks Vikram,
You have guessed right. I have been using holsters for years - on the waist and shoulder - or simply tuck the bare weapon in the small of the back (not a good practice but works fine as long as I don't sweat). I have Uncle Mikes No 2, Bianchi straight draw, my own copy of the K L Null belt harness for suppressed weapons and Galco nylon paddle holster. They work fine for me. The problem is not with the holsters. Handguns I have right now are quite BIG ! At 5' 10'' and 76 kilos I am not exactly huge enough to make a large frame Colt revolver with 6 inch barrel disappear without wearing a jacket or extra large shirts .
When my family or friends are around during weekend trips the extra bulge makes things very conspicuous. Even changing a T shirt becomes a chore. Unlike many people I firmly believe that "concealed carry" should be followed in body and spirit. My weapon should be of no concern to anybody around me as long as there is no emergency. At the same time keeping the sidearm inside a handbag or glove compartment sounds ridiculous.
This is where the idea to buy a short 12 gauge hit me. The IOF pump gun is a good choice but getting one is difficult. Shop owners here say many of the later models developed feed and ejection problems. I will look around.

Cheers,

TC

[TC]

Hello TC!

Ask one of the Calcutta dealers to show you a short barreled gun made my Oriental Arms CO.It should suit your requirement.

Infact, I carry a short single barreled full stock gun made by Oriental as a backup when I am in the field.They are light to carry with decent build quality.I suggest you stay off the pistol grip ones.

I am posting the link to their website below -

http://www.orientalarms.co.in

Regards,
NItro Express

Nitro Express this is the kind of information I was looking for. Just saw the website. Will ask Kolkata dealers right away.

Thank you so much. Please let me know if you find any other Indian manufacturer. Will appreciate if you tell me why I should stay off Oriental's pistol grip models. The shorties look fine to me.

Cheers

TC

[hellfire_m16]

Hi TC,

Going OT...would be interesting to see pictures of your handguns.

Best.
VM

[TC]

You may also invest in a Maxpadition carry pack that affords you a very nice slide in Holster compartment and is very fast and easy to draw. These bags are comfortable to carry around all day in hot n humid areas. You could also stash away goodies like a collapsible baton, a nice sturdy folder, pepper spray and what not in the same bag to help you along on your adventures. In my opinion its still simpler to carry a handgun rather than a shotgun even if it rides in your backpack.
Bruno22

Thanks Bruno22.
Will check out the carry pack. You are right about packing handguns but I have explained my problem already.

Cheers

TC

[TC]

This is first time I saw an Indian gun manufacturer link..we have in the past tried to impress on some so called gun company folks from Jammu I think. But its easy to preach since these guys are in trenches and dont know there challenges. But its worth the while to reach out to such folks and see if they could participate in discussion - Isnt munger some how linked to a Jail or the units are in a secure place?

Any check this site there is a video posted where a shooter had his jaws knocked off firing a pistol grip or hockey stick shotty. After taking safety classes for my hunting license saw multiple videos where loaded shotty and rifle went off inadvertently while jumping a fence, dropped or reaching for the gun in confined space like car etc. I would nt carry a loaded shotty or rifle with or without safety in a car.

Good luck TC - try contacting Khairudin in Jammu see if they have a better one

Do post more about your hunt

Hi old friend,
Will keep in mind every word you have written. Yes, I am venturing (or thinking of venturing) into the shortie business for the first time. Have to be conscious of the pros and cons before taking any step. Will keep posting about my hunt for the ideal backing scattergun.

Best wishes

TC

Cheers

[xl_target]

TC,
I would like to (respectfully) submit some thoughts for your consideration.

I would suggest that before you go ahead and make these changes to your shotgun, that you try and fire a pistol-grip only shotgun. There are certain disadvantages that may outweigh the advantages.

It is unpleasant to shoot with anything but light loads. With slugs, its brutal. I understand that you may not be able to get slugs in India but you would still be limiting your options. A PG only shotgun is generally only good for breaching doors or firing flares.

PG only shotguns are usually fired from the hip. Regardless of how cool (and easy to shoot) it looks on the silver screen, it is hard to hit anything beyond five yards when doing that. If you do hold it up and try to sight down the rib, you risk a broken nose or the loss of teeth. If you don't try to use the bead, even at close range, a miss is quite likely. Keep in mind that there is little or no spread or pattern at five yards.

If you are adamant that you are going to get a short shotgun, leave some semblance of butt on it so it can be shouldered. You might at least consider a folding stock, in addition of a PG, so it can be shouldered. That would give you the best of both worlds. Personally, I wouldn't have a PG on a shogun, even if it had a full stock. The lateral forces on your wrist are painful when firing with a PG.

Knoxx does make a "Breachers Grip" that is supposed to reduce recoil by 65%. I've never used one of them, so I can't comment but I have fired a full length Knoxx stock and it does reduce recoil. Still the Breacher's grip doesn't address the aiming dilemma. If you can't hit your target, you just have a very loud club.

[rraju2805]

I have been using holsters for years - on the waist and shoulder - or simply tuck the bare weapon in the small of the back (not a good practice but works fine as long as I don't sweat). I have Uncle Mikes No 2, Bianchi straight draw, my own copy of the K L Null belt harness for suppressed weapons and Galco nylon paddle holster. They work fine for me. The problem is not with the holsters. Handguns I have right now are quite BIG ! At 5' 10'' and 76 kilos I am not exactly huge enough to make a large frame Colt revolver with 6 inch barrel disappear without wearing a jacket or extra large shirts .
When my family or friends are around during weekend trips the extra bulge makes things very conspicuous. Even changing a T shirt becomes a chore. Unlike many people I firmly believe that "concealed carry" should be followed in body and spirit. My weapon should be of no concern to anybody around me as long as there is no emergency. At the same time keeping the sidearm inside a handbag or glove compartment sounds ridiculous.

sir ,,
It is very greatful if you post some picture of your pistol & hostler. . .

[Nitro Express]

Hello TC!

Glad I could be of help.
I am telling you to stay off all pistol grip models including Oriental's.Incase the situation demands for you to pull out the shotgun and fire and hit an object, I have a doubt if it can be achieved with shoutgun with a pistol grip.
A pistol grip shotgun loaded with even BBs can get clumbersome to use effectively.
Trust me - the short single barreled Oriental made gun with a full stock which I field carry has a number of times become my primary weapon and has got me out of situations.I infact dismantel the whole weapon and carry it in a canvas roll up attached to my backpack.

Nitro Express

[only32owner]

TC,
Bro .. no offences,
What you are saying is that you have handgun, that you you find inconvenient to carry for self defence. Now you are planning to get a Shot gun in shorten version for self defence that you can carry.

My friend, if size is the difficulty for handgun that you are saying, how are you going to get a SHOT gun , more compact and eassy to carry than a hand gun

Kindly don't mind , but this logic is hard to understand, I don't want to carry a handgun it is not convenient, instead I'll carry a SHORT shot gun

But its your decision at the end,
Someone can think its eassier to carry a bazuka for SD than to carry a .45 colt 1911. Since a bazuka can be in a backpack and Colt .45 bothering me in my belly. But that colt .45 can also sit comfortably in the backpack.

Good Wishes, for what you want.

Enjoy yourself.

[only32owner]

Hi TC,

Going OT...would be interesting to see pictures of your handguns.

Best.
VM

If not a hassle for you, Sir!!!!

[hamiclar01]

Kindly don't mind , but this logic is hard to understand, I don't want to carry a handgun it is not convenient, instead I'll carry a SHORT shot gun

You my friend, have hit the nail right on the head.
TC's quest is puzzling indeed

[mundaire]

TC, the suggestion made earlier in this thread w.r.t getting a maxped bag with a built in holster is a sound one. You can see some of these bags in action at http://www.maxpedition.com/store/pc/Sit ... 12p926.htm . If you'd like to save a few bucks there are some Chicom copies of maxped bags available at dx.com/ other HK/ China online retailers (of course their quality will not be anywhere near the originals).

Cheers!
Abhijeet

[dr.jayakumar]

friend,
you can saw off the butt or extend the stock another meter,but don't think about sawing off the barrel it is illegal.and there is no sawed of guns available legally.
iof comes with pistol grip and also foldables.
i feel dbbl is good for self protection at home and farm.it will not serve you, when in car.
regards
dr.jk

Thanks drjayakumar
I know sawing off a barrel is illegal. That is why Arms Act allows no less than 21 inches. But when old guns get damaged at the muzzle end gunsmiths do chop off a couple of inches to save these weapons. I did one myself. But these are exceptions.
Does IOF make DBBLs with pistol grips and folding stocks ? I thought these are all aftermarket accessories. Need to widen my search it seems.
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Best wishes
TC

check this link.http://gunaccessory.com/default.asp
regards