holland &holland

[Grumpy]

If the gun is fully rifled it is a 12-Bore rifle - and most likely to be black powder proved only.
The rifling will not cause the shot pattern to be oval however the combination of zero choke and rifling will produce a very broad shot pattern.
A remarkable price for such a gun......Pictures would be appreciated - including the proof marks.

[b.baracho]

Holland & Holland re-introduce the Paradox gun after nearly 70 years.

What is a Paradox? Put simply, a Paradox is a combination gun that can fire both pellets like a shotgun and bullets like a rifle. (A paradox round is a slug rather than a true bullet).

The History. The intended quarry usually dictates the need of shotguns for feather, and rifles for fur. A 'shot-gun' discharges hundreds of pellets from a plain tube and though very effective, the lethal range remains limited by the tiny pellets. The accuracy of a bullet propelled through a rifled barrel is needed to bag larger four-legged quarry. So shotguns and rifles remained distinctly different. A true "shot & ball" gun capable of meeting all needs became the gunmakers' Holy Grail -- until 1885 when a Col. G.V. Fosbery solved the problem.

How does a Paradox work? Fosbery's solution was to rifle the choke, enabling either pellets or bullet to be fired though the same barrel with astonishing effect. Henry Holland snapped up the rights and most aptly named it the "Paradox". Capable of producing even shot patterns and repeatedly grouping heavyweight bullets well within a hand-span at 100 yards assured it was an immediate success, resulting in some 1500 guns being built over a 40-year period. Africa & India proved to be the ideal stage to demonstrate the Paradox's full potential and our records abound with tales of exiting sport in faraway lands.

So why have H & H decided to reintroduce the "Paradox" after nearly 70-years? The Empire is no more but throughout Europe and the USA changes in land usage have resulted in wild boar, deer - and Lyme disease - increasing to habitat and health-damaging levels leaving shooting as the only effective and humane means of control.

It is also ideal for use in areas where high-velocity rifles may be prohibited but where a potent short-range bullet is ideal. Weighing much the same the "Paradox" model is endowed with all the handling characteristics of a classic shotgun, making it ideal for quick snap shots in shrub or forest.

Result. If you anticipate that your day's hunting might include both feather and fur , you can carry two types of ammunition for two very different quarries, but need only carry one clever "Paradox" gun. Hunters who travel the world for their sport will appreciate the potential benefits of such a true dual-function gun.

Bullet weight: 12-bore = 740 grains / 48 gram
Bullet diameter: .735" (Fosbery Pattern, solid lead)
Muzzle velocity: *1050 ft./sec. / 320 m/sec.
Muzzle energy: *1840 ft./lbs. / 2500 joules
Service pressure: 3 ¼ tons " / 850 bar
Cartridge case: 12-bore 2 ½" / 65mm
1 leaf zeroed to p.o.a. @ 50 yards / (45-50m)
+ 2nd leaf to p.o.a. @ 100 yards / (90 - 100m)

*Note: At 100 yards the very heavy bullet retains over 90% of the velocity and 85% of the energy making the bullet truly deadly on even the largest soft-skinned game.


hope this information is usefull research & refrence taken from the internet.

[Grumpy]

As has already been pointed out, if the gun has fully rifled barrels then it is NOT a Paradox.

[shahid]

I have often wondered about the old rifles. Of course 4 Bore, 8 Bore or at least 10 Bore double rifles were more useful on the African or Indian froentiers earlier before other Black Powder calibres and better cartridges appeared.


A 12 Bore rifle ( double or single ) firing a one Oz slug or ball

would have how much powder ? ( About 4 drams I guess )

To hold 4 dram powder charge the cartridge would be 3 inch or perhaps 2 3/4 inch.

Such a rifle would have been 7 1/2 to 8 ib in weight.

What would be the MV and ME like ?

And what would be V 100 yards and E 100 yards.

Would like to see if I can get hold of these figures and compare it to a modern day .275 or 30-06 cartridge, or even a .256, and access how does it compare.

Would these figures of black powder 12 bore or other gauge rifles be listed anywhere ?

Guru Grumpy any insight on this from your usual internet sources ?

[badshah0522]

Relatives .375 mag double ,in custody since ages.

[HydNawab]

Truly a collector's weapon.

[eljefe]

Holland & Holland re-introduce the Paradox gun after nearly 70 years.

What is a Paradox? Put simply, a Paradox is a combination gun that can fire both pellets like a shotgun and bullets like a rifle. (A paradox round is a slug rather than a true bullet).

The History. The intended quarry usually dictates the need of shotguns for feather, and rifles for fur. A 'shot-gun' discharges hundreds of pellets from a plain tube and though very effective, the lethal range remains limited by the tiny pellets. The accuracy of a bullet propelled through a rifled barrel is needed to bag larger four-legged quarry. So shotguns and rifles remained distinctly different. A true "shot & ball" gun capable of meeting all needs became the gunmakers' Holy Grail -- until 1885 when a Col. G.V. Fosbery solved the problem.

How does a Paradox work? Fosbery's solution was to rifle the choke, enabling either pellets or bullet to be fired though the same barrel with astonishing effect. Henry Holland snapped up the rights and most aptly named it the "Paradox". Capable of producing even shot patterns and repeatedly grouping heavyweight bullets well within a hand-span at 100 yards assured it was an immediate success, resulting in some 1500 guns being built over a 40-year period. Africa & India proved to be the ideal stage to demonstrate the Paradox's full potential and our records abound with tales of exiting sport in faraway lands.

So why have H & H decided to reintroduce the "Paradox" after nearly 70-years? The Empire is no more but throughout Europe and the USA changes in land usage have resulted in wild boar, deer - and Lyme disease - increasing to habitat and health-damaging levels leaving shooting as the only effective and humane means of control.

It is also ideal for use in areas where high-velocity rifles may be prohibited but where a potent short-range bullet is ideal. Weighing much the same the "Paradox" model is endowed with all the handling characteristics of a classic shotgun, making it ideal for quick snap shots in shrub or forest.

Result. If you anticipate that your day's hunting might include both feather and fur , you can carry two types of ammunition for two very different quarries, but need only carry one clever "Paradox" gun. Hunters who travel the world for their sport will appreciate the potential benefits of such a true dual-function gun.

Bullet weight: 12-bore = 740 grains / 48 gram
Bullet diameter: .735" (Fosbery Pattern, solid lead)
Muzzle velocity: *1050 ft./sec. / 320 m/sec.
Muzzle energy: *1840 ft./lbs. / 2500 joules
Service pressure: 3 ¼ tons " / 850 bar
Cartridge case: 12-bore 2 ½" / 65mm
1 leaf zeroed to p.o.a. @ 50 yards / (45-50m)
+ 2nd leaf to p.o.a. @ 100 yards / (90 - 100m)

*Note: At 100 yards the very heavy bullet retains over 90% of the velocity and 85% of the energy making the bullet truly deadly on even the largest soft-skinned game.


hope this information is usefull research & refrence taken from the internet.

Baracho as rightly pointed out by another member to your previous post on posters, information is welcome and thank you for it, however:

Nuff said, quoting from the internet in any form on the forum is not a crime. Not citing the source and not giving due credit shows the forum in bad light. For the betterment of the forum and to prevent legal hassles always cite the source for copyrighted materials. And please dont take this as finger pointing

Source means the link to the site where material is quoted from e.g

http://indiansforguns.com/posting.php?m ... te&p=44025

[shahid]

H & H reintroduced their Newsletter / Magazine, the field in 2007 and in one of the earlier issues they did discuss in detail the reintroduction of the H & H 12 and 16 bore paradox guns. Perhaps even 20 Bore Paradox is available now.

The author even describes his Wild Boar hunting experience in East Europe with a Holland and Holland trial gun in 2007.

Badshah this is a very fine double ( .375 H & H Magnum ) if by any chance it comes up in the market for sale I would be most interested.

[badshah0522]

Thanks Ashar/shahid, We are in process to get it released ASAP,will let u know if it will be sold.

H & H reintroduced their Newsletter / Magazine, the field in 2007 and in one of the earlier issues they did discuss in detail the reintroduction of the H & H 12 and 16 bore paradox guns. Perhaps even 20 Bore Paradox is available now.

The author even describes his Wild Boar hunting experience in East Europe with a Holland and Holland trial gun in 2007.

Badshah this is a very fine double ( .375 H & H Magnum ) if by any chance it comes up in the market for sale I would be most interested.

[shahid]

What is the case here, in custody where ? Is it a death case ?

[badshah0522]

Yes it is a death case ,deposited in a shop.

What is the case here, in custody where ? Is it a death case ?

[Risala]

Badshah this is a very fine double ( .375 H & H Magnum ) if by any chance it comes up in the market for sale I would be most interested.

Bobby Sharma M/s KK Sharma & Co,Delhi have one for sale,the condition is excellent,belonged to the
erstwhile ruler of Banda.He is asking for 12 L.

HTH

[cherian.k.k]

hello all
i have uploaded 2 photo{taken on mobile} into my album
http://indiansforguns.com/album.php?use ... &mode=list
more clear photo will be put up. can any one tell how i can take photo of rifling clearly?
cherian.k.k

[shahid]

Detach the barrels.

Hold the barrels in Daylight and look through it. If rifling is visible to the eye clearly compose and shoot. If your camera has a macro mode it would help.

Attempt shooting from muzzle end and breech end to see from which angle it is better visible on a camera shot.