Indians For Guns

Dear Members,

I am sure that you are aware of the reasons behind the banning of hunting in India, wait..... one of the reason you may like to add to your list is:

"Wild life can go a long way eradicating terrorism"

Yes! if you don't believe me Read this:

http://www.earlytimes.in/earlytimes1/ne ... px?q=45701


cheers,
tingriman

Yes..i do agree that hunting should be banned completely in India..to ensre protect wild life

Hunting is banned already, except for occassional grants for shooting vermin like neel gai.

eternalme wrote: Hunting is banned already, except for occassional grants for shooting vermin like neel gai.

Hunting has been banned in India for how many years?? 2 decades?? 3 decades?? We are nowhere near anything that can be classified as a 'success story' in conversation. History hasnt taught us that when we come up with any draconian law that is 'supposed' to eradicate a problem, the very people who are employed to uphold the law are the ones who break them. So who is going to police the government officials and forest guards??

Rampant deforestation leading to loss of habitat is driving away all the wildlife here in Mizoram. The supreme court has even banned logging and the forest department uses this law to create problems for teak plantation owners who were supported and subsidized by the same department anyway! (By the way in its attempts to 'afforest' Mizoram large tracks of evergreen tropical forests are being cut down and burned by the forest department and land owners to make way for teak )

Since hunting is totally banned in the state, I for one have no legal business to enter the 'forests' of our state and report these misgivings and misdeeds that are being committed under our very noses by the very people who are supposed to uphold the law. So who is going to do it?? A Judge from the supreme court?? Our President??

Jonah

I fully agree with you guys, I just wanted to attract your attention towards an incident reported in the local press wherein two hardcore militants (HM Commanders) were killed by a leopard in a forest. If I am not wrong, you guys did not had a look at the link mentioned in my previous post (at the top of this page).



cheers,
tingriman

jashwant

Hunting has been banned for a long time in India and has not helped one bit to protect wildlife. Thats because the poachers and local forest depts are hand in glove and also because of rampant unchecked habitat destruction with the blessings (unholy, I must say) of the system and its officials.

Its a grim situation.......

M.

jashwantsinh wrote:Yes..i do agree that hunting should be banned completely in India..to ensre protect wild life

Hey Jonah,

Long time no tippitytap...

Yaar...bans and the logic behind it is typical of the babu mentality. Anything that requires a little more extra work or thinking simply gets banned....simple as that... path of least resistance!

Its whats killing our country... think about it.

Ah Tingriman,

Poor hizbys.... destined to be leopard turd.

I'm surprised no babu has though up of raising a battalion of 'commando' leopards.

regards,
cc

cottage cheese wrote:
Poor hizbys.... destined to be leopard turd.

I'm surprised no babu has though up of raising a battalion of 'commando' leopards.

cottage cheese wrote:Yaar...bans and the logic behind it is typical of the babu mentality. Anything that requires a little more extra work or thinking simply gets banned....simple as that... path of least resistance!

CC, You have a nice point there, might have read a few days ago, that Central Govt. has decided to ban Pre-paid cellphones in J&K with effect from Nov 01, 2009, the reason- Security



regards,
tingriman

It is bear now

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8339549.stm

Tingriman, Good one.

jashwantsinh wrote:Yes..i do agree that hunting should be banned completely in India..to ensre protect wild life

As others have noted, hunting is already banned in India.Could you please share with us your views on how far that helped in conserving wildlife and its habitat in India?I am sure quite a few of us are interested.In the rest of the world people say that India's record of failure in conservation is the sorriest in the world.How did that happen?How come countries like Tanzania,Botswana,Namibia or even Zimbabwe have better track record than us?Thank you.

Best-
Vikram

I believe that saving animals and species is the highest priority, over any other ideological line of thought.

Maintaining the biodiversity of the planet is nothing less than proper stewardship of our own living space, along with everyone else's. Problems can arise from over hunting, as we see with the whaling practices of some nations and over fishing of fishing grounds. There is an environmental limit to how many animals can be harvested from an area.

What I have a problem with is how gun owners and hunters are made the "whipping boys" for our vanishing wildlife. This sort of ban on hunting is nothing more than an ideological "back door" to taking away gun ownership rights.

The fact is, that if gun owners and hunters are going to have to "give" on this issue to meet a crisis, it must be recognized that NO simple minded approach like this will be successful. Other factors that must be taken into account are deforestation (which means that the land developer is going to have to sacrifice) and pollution of the environment (which means that Mr Industrialist and Mr Filthy Liver will have to change their modes of operation).

The point I'm making here is that simply restricting or outright banning of hunting is not going to be a workable solution in the end. Many people who are ideologically opposed to gun ownership like to sell hunting bans and hitch their wagon to the environmental movement -- and make gun owners the bogeyman. However, the effective approach from an environmental perspective is to address the entire range of issues related to a bio zone: range, soil, water, flora, air quality, etc. All of these issues and more must be considered along with how much game is harvested -- if it is not, you can be sure that people posing as environmentalists while advocating only a hunting ban are insincere demagogues, whipping up emotion with shallow appeals. The crime here is that the animals who are supposedly being protected are the real victims.

Here in the USA, sportsmen hunters often have an excellent record on this matter. For instance, the great bulk of conservation and environmental costs related to waterfowl populations is borne by hunters. Great tracts of wetlands in the USA and Canada have been purchased by groups like Ducks Unlimited --- it seems a shame to me that these hunters, who contribute more than their fair share toward environmental health that all enjoy, are not recognized for their contributions because short-sighted ideologues are constantly beating the dead horse of gun control from every possible angle.

tman

Nice one I read the BBC story and you pulled the trigger regarding this Bear or Leapord or maybe Yeti attack. Guess every one missed the pun LOL


cc


maybe they have raised Bear Commondoes a Smokey Bear with bad attitude if US can teach Dolphins remember then why not those 'Madari' guys with bear and monkey maybe they should apply

and for once I agree with hunting ban.

So would a bear attack three guys with AKs per stories knew they can be nasty but againts armed honchos thats a first? Remember that saying never kick a sleeping dog -- stay away from a sleeping Bear too even when its freezing.

And they forgot the cardinal rule that bears are attracted to smell of food and that too Kheer.. "The militants had assault rifles but were taken by surprise - police found the remains of pudding they had made to eat when the bear attacked."

Man this Bear deserves Ashok Chakra or at the least Kirti Chakra..

It aint going good for these HM guys up there in freezing mountain going by the news first that young lady who took as many on and now da Bears. I didnt mean Chicago bears they are having a bad season

Cheers

timmy wrote:The point I'm making here is that simply restricting or outright banning of hunting is not going to be a workable solution in the end. Many people who are ideologically opposed to gun ownership like to sell hunting bans and hitch their wagon to the environmental movement -- and make gun owners the bogeyman. However, the effective approach from an environmental perspective is to address the entire range of issues related to a bio zone: range, soil, water, flora, air quality, etc.

Solid point, the most important thing in our context is that until the nexus between the poachers and corrupt forest officials is not checked or put to an end, nothing is going to improve the status of wildlife.

regards,
tingriman

ngrewal wrote: Man this Bear deserves Ashok Chakra or at the least Kirti Chakra..

That's only for the blue eyed boys.

The bear will probably be provided a job as a SPO at 1500quid a month... seeing how much food can be procured with that much money, it'll be better off in the wild feeding off hizbys....