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What would have happened in India
Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 6:45 pm
by winnie_the_pooh
If the PM's son had been captured?
http://history1900s.about.com/b/2003/09 ... i-camp.htm
".....oldest son, Yakov Dzhugashvili (Stalin's original last name was Dzhugashvili), was captured by the Nazis in 1941. The Nazis offered Stalin a trade: the release of a German general for the return of Yakov, his son...Stalin refused the trade....Yakov died in 1943; he was shot while trying to escape...."
Re: What would have happened in India
Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 9:04 pm
by cottage cheese
If it involved the Chinese, we'd probably gift-away Arunachal Pradesh, and Ladakh...
Re: What would have happened in India
Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 9:18 pm
by Vikram
Not very difficult to guess,is it?
Excerpts from the Time's article
"It was the evening of April 14, 1943. Picking his way carefully between the maze of trip wires, the prisoner reached the camp fence, then turned around and defiantly called to a nearby SS guard: "Don't be a coward. Shoot, shoot." When the prisoner made a grab for the fence, the guard fired one bullet. It instantly killed the elder son of Joseph Stalin.
As a 33-year-old artillery lieutenant, Yakov was taken prisoner near Smolensk in World War II's early days. Stalin was so enraged that he had Yakov's Jewish wife thrown into prison on suspicion that she had somehow weakened his will to fight.
After German setbacks in early 1943, Hitler offered Stalin a deal to swap Yakov, who had resisted Nazi blandishments to defect to the German cause, for the German field marshal who surrendered at Stalingrad. Stalin turned down the proposal, replying: "You have in your hands not only my son Yakov but millions of my sons. Either you free them all or my son will share their fate." According to his Russian cellmate, it was the news that his father had refused to ransom him that drove Yakov to despair and his suicidal attempt to escape.
Stalin had never had much use for his sensitive and with drawn son. He hounded and beat the boy so unmercifully that in the Kremlin one night in the late 1920s, Yakov tried to shoot himself. He only managed to inflict a serious head wound, and Stalin afterward taunted him that he was incapable even of killing himself. It might have impressed the old man to know that his son finally mustered the courage to do the job, even with German help."
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... 16,00.html
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Vikram
Re: What would have happened in India
Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:34 pm
by MoA
Lets not loose sight of the fact that Stalin was a meglomaniac lunatic despot, and was probably responsible for more pain, suffering and death of his own citizens than anyone else.
But yes in an Indian scenario... things would be different. Remember the episode when some minister's kid was kidnapped, how many terrorists were swapped?
Re: What would have happened in India
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:44 am
by Sakobav
MoA is correct Stalin loved no one including his own children and was upset that his son was captured alive, his other son was in Goerings mold a playboy and drunk..trivia his second wife more than likely committed suicide with a Mauser Hsc .
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Re: What would have happened in India
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:09 am
by winnie_the_pooh
Indian Politician(Many and not all)
1.Meglomaniac - Check
2.Lunatic - some definitely are
3.Despot - check
Re: What would have happened in India
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:43 am
by veejosh
winnie_the_pooh wrote:Indian Politician(Many and not all)
1.Meglomaniac - Check
2.Lunatic - some definitely are
3.Despot - check
The irony---We voted them to power OR ELSE chose not to vote and brought them to power...End of the day oneself to blame.
Vikas