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DIG of Orrisa who was accidently shot by his security officers

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2006/20061025/main3.htm

"Seshananda had fired the shot from his 9 mm pistol that hit the DIG in the head killing him...Both driver of the car and Seshananda had said the bullet had gone off accidentally as the latter had forgot to lock the trigger of the pistol, he said"

Any idea which kind of pistol this was? regular IOF HP35 9 mm? In comparison current generation of pistols such as Glock etc have better safety mechanisms.

Seems like part weapon and training issue. All in all avoidable tragedy

If the pistol is a government issue 9mm there is a very likely chance that it is a ordinance factory 9mm autopistol which is a copy of the FNBrowning.



The Indian Ordinance Factory workmanship has much to be desired. I had the opportunity to inspect a brand new batch of IOF (6) 9mm auto pistols sometime last year out of which 2 were outright defective as they would not fire after the first round! Another two had their foresights almost falling off and we had to be very careful. 4/6 is a very high defective rate and speakes volumes about quality control in IOF. To think that this batch was inspected by IOF QC and passed as ok! Never ceases to amaze me.

Returning to the main topic, it wouldnt be a surprise if this gun was to blame! But more facts need to be know it the story is to be believed.

Jonah,

The simple fact of the matter is that the pistol wasn't pointed in a safe direction at all times. This is assuming the bullet did not ricochet.

I am not condoning IOF's poor quality control, however, the manufacturing quality or lack of has no bearing on the subject. Do not rely on safeties and please keep that muzzle pointing in a safe direction at all times.

Mack The Knife

Too true Mack The Knife, but according to a story in the story, there seems to have been some sort of a scuffle with a crowd. If this story was true, then there is a possibility that one of the accused while being handled by the crowd 'accidentally' let off one shot. Whether a safety was malfunctioning or not can easily be checked. The 9mm has only one safety which functions by way of a sear lock. IOF workmanship comes into play here and I was just saying that this scenario was also quite plausible.

After reading the story and examining all the angles, (No real facts available in the story) it could also be that the officer was really accidentally shot and a cover up story fabricated.

There have been a couple of incidents of accidental shooting by this infamous gun even here in Mizoram.

Where is everybody by the way?

Jonah

One has to carry this pistol with a round in the chamber for IOF HP35 (others can better explain this). I concur with Jonah that the security officers had been dispersing the crowd and also were bit anxious since they were in middle of Naxal country therefore probably had weapons cocked. Again, issue is inadequate training, situational awareness and mixed up with bad quality weapons makes up a bad scenario.. These points have been discussed before.

Regarding the sluggish board, me thinks members are away for Diwali/Id or are recuperating from it

BTW Jonah- Whats that gun ( just the barrel) on top left corner of the picture? Is it Carbine M1 ?

regards

I`ve read the article and am still none the wiser as to what a `DIG` is, could somebody please explain ? Also what is a `DGP` ?

John

DIG = Deputy Inspector General equivalent of Major General ( maybe)

DGP = Director General of Police, Head of state police.

Not sure what is equivalent of UK police ranks, may be Deputy Commissioner and Commissioner ..

Naxalites - Those who follow Maoist Communist principles ..simply put and these guys are leading the insurgency against the government

NG

Thanks for explaining Navi.....makes a lot more sense now......although as those bodyguards were - supposedly - guarding the Deputy Inspector General of Police they were, presumably, Police Officers ? Which makes the whole affair even more appalling.
Mehul has mentioned the Naxalites several times and told me a while ago that they were Marxist Extremists - terrorists - but where does the name `Naxalites` come from ?

Heeey! Great spotting there. Yes its a M1 Carbine (US). I just love it.
Sells for about Rs. 1,00,000 here in Mizoram. (Legally)

Heres something From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Naxalite
(Redirected from Naxal)
Communism in India

Naxalite or Naxalism is an informal name given to revolutionary communist groups that were born out of the Sino-Soviet split in the Indian communist movement. The term comes from Naxalbari, a small village in West Bengal, where a leftist section of Communist Party of India (Marxist) (CPI(M)) led by Charu Majumdar and Kanu Sanyal led a militant peasant uprising in 1967, trying to develop a "revolutionary opposition" in order to establish "revolutionary rule" in India. Majumdar greatly admired Mao Zedong of China and advocated that Indian peasants and lower classes must follow in his footsteps and overthrow the government and upper classes whom he held responsible for their plight. In 1967 'Naxalites' organized the All India Coordination Committee of Communist Revolutionaries (AICCCR), and broke away from CPI(M). Uprisings were organized in several parts of the country. In 1969 AICCCR gave birth to Communist Party of India (Marxist-Leninist). After the internal revolt led by Satyanarayan Singh in 1971 and the death of Majumdar in 1972, the movement was fragmented into many competing factions.

Practically all Naxalite groups trace their origin to the CPI(ML). A separate tendency from the beginning was the Maoist Communist Centre, which evolved out of the Dakshin Desh-group. MCC later fused with People's War Group to form Communist Party of India (Maoist). A third tendency is that of the Andhra revolutionary communists, which was mainly presented by UCCRI(ML), following the mass line legacy of T. Nagi Reddy. That tendency broke with AICCCR at an early stage.

CPI(ML) poster in Kolkata

Today some groups have become legal organisations participating in parliamentary elections, such as Communist Party of India (Marxist-Leninist) Liberation. Others, such as Communist Party of India (Maoist) and Communist Party of India (Marxist-Leninist) Janashakti, are engaged in armed guerilla struggles. Many groups combine both legal and illegal methods of work.

See Communist Party of India (Marxist-Leninist) for a list of Naxalite groups.

Naxal ideology owes it's origins to the abject penury and and stems from the all pervasive poverty in the Indian hinterland. The Naxal movementis showing signs of better organisation of its political and military wings.The Red Corridor held by Naxals stretches across the swath of forest lands from Andhra Pradesh in South India to Maharashtra, Chhattisgarh, Orissa, West Bengal, Jharkhand and Bihar and is expanding.

The past few years has seen the insurgents spreading Naxal influence from 76 districts in nine states to 118 Districts in 12 States. The Communist Party of India (Maoists) was formed on September 21, 2004 through the merger of two prominent naxalite outfits - the People's War Group (PWG) and the Maoists Communists Center (MCC). The military resources of these guerrilla movements have been now combined as People's Guerilla Army (PGA) forming the cutting edge of the Naxal movement.

The insurgency is fueled by the exploitation of the peasants and poor tribals by the landlords and the timber mafia, as well as neglect and corruption by governmental offices. The lack of socio-economic developments that have occurred in these regions from any govermental force is an issue that the Naxalites frequently exploit in their calls for violent, Mao inspired, revolution.

Many thanks for that very full explanation Jonah.