School shooting in CT

[inplainsight]

Truly sad...

http://www.courant.com/news/breaking/hc ... 9911.story

[Sakobav]

This is sad day in US and our thoughts and prayers need to go out to those who lost near and dear ones in this tragic tragedy. What a sad way to end the year near xmas. Reflects the sad state of affairs where some folks are so disconnected from reality and social environment that they can act is such a cruel manner. Gun ownership will be an issue again raked up again but real sad state of matter is mental health situation and early detection and treatment of such ailment another factor is divisiveness in the system. Now they are reporting 3 guns used Glock, SIG Sauer and 223 Bushmaster ( these were recovered from the place). I do have family in that area but thankfully they all are fine..Life for some wont ever be the same again...

[YogiBear]

Aloha,

As far as I know, considering how unloved Isreal is in their region, something like this

has Never happened in an Israeli school.

Reason is that Parents, with training, serve as Armed School Guards.

Remember that all Israeli citizens must serve in the military.

Also, it is legal for Israeli citizens to go openly armed with Full Auto firearms.

I think the same should be applied to American schools.

Many parents are gun owners, with the proper training, this could not happen.

[SriramK]

(Re posting from a different post I made as I didn't see this one:)

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/12/14/us/co ... index.html

20 kids and 6 adults shot down in Connecticut. The shooter was a 20 y/o guy who had a history of mental illness. He used two of his mother's 9mm pistols, and a rifle was also found at the scene of the massacre.
Could anyone inform me what the law is about storing guns at home, as it appears he had easy access to the guns?
I blame the mother for being irresponsible with the guns when she new he had a history of mental illness.

[Sakobav]

Sriram
CT has some of the most stringent gun laws. It requires safety training as prerequisite for gun permit especially pistols etc. I am not sure about CT specific storage requirements. Guns as recommended by authorities need to have trigger lock on them and even a lock or guns in storage/box/cabinet. Ammo is required to be stored away from the guns. Key question here is if mother and family knew that the kid was having emotional issues then more the reason to keep guns locked safely and securely. Nowadays thanks to violence in computer games, movie, songs and in general kids are not sensitive to thinking of such cruel tasks. Mental diseases even in US are not treated properly and there must have been red flags all along which were ignored until the killer snapped and led to this tragic massacre. This will definitely have a very detrimental impact on gun laws..

[Moin.]

How sad is that. Will these shootings have an adverse impact on gun ownership and gun laws in the United States. I mean such very unfortunate incidents have happened before.

[inplainsight]

Will these shootings have an adverse impact on gun ownership and gun laws in the United States. I mean such very unfortunate incidents have happened before.

Well they will revive the debate for sure. I like how their media takes a careful and logical approach to this topic (all except fox!)

http://boingboing.net/2012/12/14/what-s ... un-co.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/won ... ed-states/

http://gawker.com/5968609/fox-news-blam ... ies-gaming

[timmy]

Aloha,

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Also, it is legal for Israeli citizens to go openly armed with Full Auto firearms.

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Excuse me, Yogi, but the information you provide here is certainly false. The State of Israel has very stringent gun laws, which can be discovered by simply googling reputable sources:

http://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/israel-firearms.htm

The Israel Dept. of the Interior makes notification to the general public the requirements necessary for the obtaining of a permit to possess a firearm:
1. Applicant must be a permanent resident of Israel for 3 consecutive years prior to making application for a firearms permit.
2. Applicant must be 21 years of age.
3. The permit request must be for personal use, not to engage in the business of firearms sales.

4. Applicant must fall into one of the following categories:
a. Part-time reservist (volunteer) for 3 years- may own 1 handgun
b. Such a reservist (volunteer) is a member of a gun club - may own 1 rifle
c. Professional, licensed public transportation driver, transporting a minimum of 5 passengers - may own 1 handgun
d. Licensed animal control officer- may own 2 hunting rifles, *not* full automatic weapons or semi-automatic weapons with a limited capacity magazine.
e. Full-time dealer of jewelry or large sums of cash or valuables - may own 1 handgun

West Bank and Gaza Strip Settlers:
1. A resident in a militarily strategic buffer zone, essential to the security of the State of Israel - may own 1 handgun
2. A business owner in these geographic areas - may own 1 handgun

Veterans:
1. Veterans of the Regular Army honorably discharged with the rank of non-commissioned officer, and veterans of the Reserve Army with the rank of regimental commander- may own 1 handgun
2. Retired law enforcement officers with the rank of sergeant - may own 1 handgun
3. Retired prison guards with the rank of squadron commander- may own 1 handgun

Individuals:
Upon presenting documentation that one is about to receive a souvenir, a prize, an inheritance, or an award of appreciation from the Israel military.

This school shooting is a very tragic event and is not going to be like Columbine or other past mass shootings. I fear that things are going to be very difficult for the Gun Community in the USA because of this.

Spouting off with fairy tales and other myths that sound comfortable, but are totally untrue is NOT going to help the cause of RKBA. Whether one considers it fair or not, legal gun owners are going to be held responsible to some degree because of this. We had better get our facts straight before blowing off with ill supported and poorly considered malarky.

[Arien73]

Hello Ifgns,
people live ..people die, accidents happen, hurricane comes,, and massacres too, but this shooting in CT has left everybody shocked, even myself i was completely shocked and the only question i was facing in my mind that how can somebody kill childrens of age 5-10 yrs from very close range.. further i can imagine the scene ,those innocents might not even know that they are being shot... the next one might be just enjoying the boom of gun.. heinous.. the whole day i was disturbed and got emotional too and my eyes got wet .. and throat choked ... and trying to find reasons to stop that... and the biggest reason i got was broken family system of u.s where kids are being left suffered and devolope frustrations, depressions, mental disturbances, dysfunctionalities.. loneliness... and these are the people or kids who one day pick up guns and start shooting... a gun in a responsible hands never goes wrong .. but some how neigbhours and parents have to be vigilant of such personalities... and report to the police... consensus on gun control is not possible in u.s as gun lobby is very powerfull and there are already laws dealing with circumstances which lead to shooting but hardly followed and implemented.. had the mother of killer kept the guns in safe locked and watched his kid behaviour more vigilantily.. this tragedy might have been averted... my son and daughter are only 4-5 yrs respectively.. but as soon as they will start understanding guns . the first thing i will do is buying a safe.. wher all my 5 guns be locked inside.. no need to keep them under your pillows and be james bond... guns should be sports... and for hunting.. and btw law enforcement is efficient in u.s... and gun use should be the last resort with calm mind.....

[goodboy_mentor]

Really sad and shocking act done by a dearranged person. Improper upbringing of children, wrong social atmosphere coupled with lack of any kind of emotional support to individual might be the cause behind such lunatic behavior.

[Hammerhead]

Sad situation and it's too early to comment and make a judgement of such an issue.

Aloha,

Also, it is legal for Israeli citizens to go openly armed with Full Auto firearms.

Bit different but it's mandatory while in army, all these people must carry it all the times.

[SriramK]

What annoys me is that there's no one who these parents can hold responsible now. Imagine how much pain and anger they would have - and no where to vent it.
The mother was killed by the boy himself, so no punishment there. The government can't be held responsible because it isn't the gun laws' fault per say. Frustration and anger would abound.

[Sakobav]

Sriram

As a Gun owner I am responsible to ensure its safely and securely stored. Having a child with emotional issues it was mothers duty to keep the weapons in secure place and out of his hands. Herein lies the rub dangerous combination of imbalanced child and easy access to guns/ammo. Unfortunately what to do when a human being "explodes"

[rraju2805]

So sad news..

[Vikram]

Horrible incidents, the shooting in CT and the knife attack on 22 children in China by a lone madman (China Knife attack on 22 school children). My heartfelt sympathies for the families and the kids to witnessed these crimes.

What I can infer from all the news I read is that the mother bought the guns for the deranged kid as he was not old enough to buy them on his won. Big mistake.


Best-
Vikram